Denied Car Class Booked Because of Snow Tires - Where to complain
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Originally Posted by cestmoi123
Which I would argue it did not. Rankings within sedans, and hence what constitutes an upgrade, are clear (Economy<Compact<Intermediate/Midsize<Standard<Fullsize<Premium<Luxury). Rankings within SUVs are generally clear. Path between the two, and what constitutes an upgrade vs. a downgrade, is definitely not defined.
Again, would you consider a B4 an upgrade from a Luxury (I) reservation?
Again, would you consider a B4 an upgrade from a Luxury (I) reservation?
It may or may not have had a reservation for a car with snow tyres that day, but does seem like a feature that I can understand the location holding back vehicles for those that have booked that particular feature
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What source do you have that defines what the ranking of SUV and sedan categories is for upgrades? I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I would certainly not view an SUV built on the platform of the Compact class to be an upgrade over anything other than a Compact or economy sedan. Again, not all SUVs could be considered "upgrades" over sedans, otherwise someone who booked a Luxury (I) sedan would be being "upgraded" if they were given a Trax instead, which is an absurd outcome.
what I'm trying to show is that there's no methood to the madness, and me nor any other FT member can explain it to you.
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Hertz Maximas have Leather Seats and Navi, which not all Altimas have. Size isn’t everything. Sometimes it is features and engine power.
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The point I'm making is that SUVs are a parallel track to sedans, not entirely on top of them, and it's not entirely clear how the two tracks line up. If they weren't, Hertz could just stop buying Luxury sedans for the fleet, buy more Rogues, and tell everyone who booked a Luxury sedan that they'd been "upgraded."
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If it did, then the staff were obviously happy to screw over that renter, since they were perfectly willing to send the vehicle with snow tires out with the OP, so long as they got some upsell money (and the associated commission for the desk staff) out of him.
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The person had booked a Jetta. Fundamentally, if the location doesn't have what was reserved, then the choice of an alternative should, within reason, err in favor of the customer's preferences. Was a crime against humanity committed here? No. It was, however, clearly bad customer service.
The Jetta that was there was not of a type that the customer booked - it was a vehicle with a specific modification for those needing a vehicle with snow tyres
By now I expect that the OP's rental has finished - if he wants to complain, writing to customer service seems the way to go
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If Hertz had had two Jettas, one with snow tires, and one without, then there would have been no question: ask if he wants snow tires for $20/day, he says no, give him the car without snow tires, and everybody's done. They didn't have two Jettas, though. So, they had the choice of giving him the closest approximation of what he had booked (and wanted), the Jetta with snow tires, or pushing him to a different vehicle which some might view as an upgrade, but many wouldn't.
Again, legally, Hertz could have just said "either pay the extra $20/day for the Jetta with snow tires, or get a car elsewhere." This is an issue from a customer service perspective.
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I'll be more precise, then, if you prefer, but the point still holds. "The person had booked a Standard Sedan (class D). Fundamentally, if the location doesn't have what was reserved, then the choice of an alternative should, within reason, err in favor of the customer's preferences."
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We can reasonably assume that, if they had offered something that was clearly better (i.e. an F sedan or larger), the OP would have mentioned that.
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He was given a vehicle in a group that I would argue is lower than what was booked (as a B4, should rank above a B/Compact but below a C/Intermediate, and certainly below an D/Standard), but isn't officially "ranked" vs. what was booked, and was clearly inferior (from the customer's perspective) to what was booked.
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He was given a vehicle in a group that I would argue is lower than what was booked (as a B4, should rank above a B/Compact but below a C/Intermediate, and certainly below an D/Standard), but isn't officially "ranked" vs. what was booked, and was clearly inferior (from the customer's perspective) to what was booked.
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Comparing between sedans and SUVs, though, is murky, and I haven't seen anything from Hertz defining that. Absent clear disclosure, the reasonable person standard prevails, and it certainly doesn't support the assertion some have made in this thread that any SUV is automatically an upgrade from a sedan.
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That still doesn't answer the question of whether it is an upgrade/same level as defined by Hertz
looking at midsize SUV for a dummy booking, it seems that Jetta allows for 5 adults , 2 Large Suitcases and 1 Small Suitcase whilst the SUV allows for 5 adults , 2 Large Suitcases and 2 Small Suitcases and is also more expensive
There doesn't seem to be anything stating it as an upgrade, but the cost and capaicty doesn't suggest to me a downgrade
In the end, the OP can complain to customer relations if he wishes to and see what it says
looking at midsize SUV for a dummy booking, it seems that Jetta allows for 5 adults , 2 Large Suitcases and 1 Small Suitcase whilst the SUV allows for 5 adults , 2 Large Suitcases and 2 Small Suitcases and is also more expensive
There doesn't seem to be anything stating it as an upgrade, but the cost and capaicty doesn't suggest to me a downgrade
In the end, the OP can complain to customer relations if he wishes to and see what it says
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