Oct 8, 2020, 2:27 pm
Last edit by: slippahs
//TOPIC CHECK - STAY ON TOPIC//
Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
Mahalo,
slippahs, Hawaii forum co-moderator
Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
Mahalo,
slippahs, Hawaii forum co-moderator
When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
Aug 28, 2020, 1:20 pm
#871
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: USA
Programs: UA Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,193
All it takes is one person ignoring precautions and procedures to create a bubble of infection. I would expect the Maui bubble occurred because an asymptomatic individual brought it over or had a flare-up, perhaps transmitted to another person who remained asymptomatic and so on until someone actually developed symptoms. If this were a zombie virus we could see who was infected and contain it but it's hard to do with something that spreads unpredictably.
Aug 28, 2020, 1:40 pm
#872
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: san francisco.
Programs: Marriott Ti, OW Ruby
Posts: 1,852
Aug 28, 2020, 2:39 pm
#873
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
Programs: UA Gold (.85 MM), HH Diamond, SPG Platinum (LT Gold), Hertz PC, National EE
Posts: 5,652
I forget the females name on this mornings news but she made the point of reminding everyone that many live in multi generation homes. I don’t and kind of forget about that. I still don’t think we are close to reopening and Hawaii will be in the economy toilet. Sucks, big time.
Aug 28, 2020, 2:48 pm
#874
Join Date: May 2012
Location: HNL
Programs: AS MVPG, HA Plat
Posts: 1,268
I don't see anything in the post you quoted specific to tourists. We know from Gov's press conferences a while back that returning residents were seeding clusters, and there have been more of those than tourists. But we did have the infection rate down close to zero for a while, so it seems likelier that we re-seeded from outside than inside.
Aug 28, 2020, 6:00 pm
#875
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: NGS
Programs: UA Silver, ANA MC, HH Diamond, Hyatt Discoverist, Bonvoy Plat, IHG Plat, Shangri-La GC, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,229
I don't see anything in the post you quoted specific to tourists. We know from Gov's press conferences a while back that returning residents were seeding clusters, and there have been more of those than tourists. But we did have the infection rate down close to zero for a while, so it seems likelier that we re-seeded from outside than inside.
Aug 28, 2020, 8:09 pm
#876
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York / Hawaii
Programs: UA Global Services, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,178
If Trump/Pence didn't intercede this week and rush in resources into Honolulu, including putting the Surgeon General in place to get a handle on DOH, we would have been even worse off.
i went to both in the last few days. Canoe House was quiet enough to warrant only 1 server (on top of management/chef that served.) At Merriman's, I was one of 7 in the entire place.
If you're local, go out to eat. Because I don't know how much longer they can stay open without any visitors.
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Aug 29, 2020 at 3:51 am Reason: consecutive posts merged
Aug 28, 2020, 9:02 pm
#877
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Kamuela, HI
Programs: AA-Plat
Posts: 462
i went to both in the last few days. Canoe House was quiet enough to warrant only 1 server (on top of management/chef that served.) At Merriman's, I was one of 7 in the entire place.
If you're local, go out to eat. Because I don't know how much longer they can stay open without any visitors.
If you're local, go out to eat. Because I don't know how much longer they can stay open without any visitors.
Aug 28, 2020, 9:53 pm
#878
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Upcountry Maui, HI
Posts: 13,305
All it takes is one person ignoring precautions and procedures to create a bubble of infection. I would expect the Maui bubble occurred because an asymptomatic individual brought it over or had a flare-up, perhaps transmitted to another person who remained asymptomatic and so on until someone actually developed symptoms. If this were a zombie virus we could see who was infected and contain it but it's hard to do with something that spreads unpredictably.
I really don't think it's worth speculating about it either way with the lack of data and transparency here.
We know there's travel related cases and we know there's community spread and we know there's two large clusters right now. That is pretty much all we know.
-David
-
Aug 28, 2020, 9:56 pm
#879
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York / Hawaii
Programs: UA Global Services, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,178
Agreed. We have been to Merriman's for the past 2 Fridays and try to get to Seafood Bar at least once a week as well. We go to CanoeHouse a bit less often because we usually go out to lunch or happy hour. You must be located on the Kohala Coast as well, glad you are supporting local. Merrimans should do okay but they will need to adjust their hours for locals. Only visitors would go out to dinner in the 7:30pm timeframe, most of the local clientele is on Hawaii time - get up early, go to bed early.
I've done Merriman's 1x, Canoe House 3x, Roy's 4x, Tropics Ale House 4x, Shionoas 4x, Tommy Bahamas 1x, Waikoloa Theatre 2x, Foster's Kitchen 1x, Napua 4x, Pueo's Osteria 7x, and Seafood Bar 1x in the last month. I miss Manta, KPC, Ulu, Hualalai Grille, and the great resort brunches. And the countless cultural or charity events that were held along the coast.
Aug 28, 2020, 10:55 pm
#880
Join Date: May 2012
Location: HNL
Programs: AS MVPG, HA Plat
Posts: 1,268
The point is that “asymptomatic individual brought it over” shouldn’t be construed as “tourist brought it over.” Travel from areas with a lot of cases is a risk factor, whether the traveler is a tourist or a resident, and the quarantine affects all of us, whether would-be tourist or resident. I have my issues with some of what the state and counties are doing, but the repeated implications here that quarantine is something being done to tourists because of some sort of animus are off-base.
Aug 28, 2020, 10:59 pm
#881
Join Date: May 2012
Location: HNL
Programs: AS MVPG, HA Plat
Posts: 1,268
Yeah, Surgeon General appears to have been in town for something at PACOM and done a couple of Covid-related appearances while he was here.
Aug 28, 2020, 11:26 pm
#882
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
Programs: UA Gold (.85 MM), HH Diamond, SPG Platinum (LT Gold), Hertz PC, National EE
Posts: 5,652
I know my opinion isn’t popular but the resumption of filming brings back 140 employees, plus the contractors hired. I’m sure they are grateful as unemployment doesn’t pay the bills. COVID-19 sucks but not paying your bills is worse.
Aug 29, 2020, 1:09 am
#883
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
Programs: Au: UA, Marriott, Hilton; GE
Posts: 7,139
In any case, the SG was a much more compelling figure than Bruce Anderson and Sarah Park.
Aug 29, 2020, 1:38 am
#884
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: UA, Some Others
Posts: 286
The mayor will have to be aware of those that want the trial to fail, but if they keep their eye on the project, and really babysit it, it can be a model for restarting.
Aug 29, 2020, 3:07 am
#885
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: JRF
Programs: AA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 1,784
It also speaks to the utter lack of any possibility of reopening. Any thought of October 1 is a misrepresentation, because since the shutdown in March, they haven't prepared any plan to reopen, the first step of which would be to stockpile PPE supplies. So the re-opening is just a shiny object: "Look over here".
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Aug 29, 2020 at 6:01 am Reason: Let's not post inflammatory / overly-political remarks in this forum, please