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Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
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When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
#886
Join Date: Sep 2008
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The main issue driving spread on Hawaii is quarantine is or was not properly implemented. People were not isolating away from everyone including family etc.
#887
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
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I want to go to Oahu for a day and spend time at Pearl Harbor, but the quarantine on return to Maui makes that impractical.
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#888
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR, HNL
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It's a more popular opinion than you think. Its a perfect trial for bringing in people. And putting people back to work.
The mayor will have to be aware of those that want the trial to fail, but if they keep their eye on the project, and really babysit it, it can be a model for restarting.
The mayor will have to be aware of those that want the trial to fail, but if they keep their eye on the project, and really babysit it, it can be a model for restarting.
https://mauinow.com/2020/08/28/break...deZUeOnPcwBln4
- All cast and crew flying to Maui will be required to take a COVID-19 test 72 hours prior to their flight. Only cast/crew who test negative will be permitted to fly to Maui.
- All cast/crew will be transported directly to the Andaz Resort to complete their modified 7-day quarantine. (1) Food is brought to their rooms and left outside the door.
- Hotel staff will not enter the cast/crew hotel rooms for the first seven days. After that they will only enter the rooms when the occupant is not there.
- All cast/crew will be tested on day 5 and 6. Once both PCR test results return negative and they complete their modified 7-day quarantine, they will be allowed to work on the production.
Plus there are many reports of crew being out in public; restaurants, stores etc the day after arriving. So not much quarantine happening, Yet another example of the corrupt leadership in Hawaii. You can bet someone’s pockets got lined for this.
#889
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York / Hawaii
Programs: UA Global Services, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,169
In their August investor call, Park Hotels & Resorts, which owns both the Hilton Waikoloa Village and Hilton Hawaiian Village, said they expect to have all of their properties open by 1/1/21 except for 2. In looking over their suspended property list, it looks like the biggest closed property is the New York Hilton. Other Hiltons and Hyatts they own around the country seem to be reopened or reopening soon.
Does anyone have insight on whether the 2 properties they expect to shutter for the rest of the year are their Hawaii ones?
Does anyone have insight on whether the 2 properties they expect to shutter for the rest of the year are their Hawaii ones?
#890
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: USA
Programs: UA Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,165
I don't see anything in the post you quoted specific to tourists. We know from Gov's press conferences a while back that returning residents were seeding clusters, and there have been more of those than tourists. But we did have the infection rate down close to zero for a while, so it seems likelier that we re-seeded from outside than inside.
There's currently 2 clusters in Maui, one at Maui Memorial Hospital which for now seems to have stopped growing in size with no new related cases to that cluster reported for at least a couple of days, and a 2nd one at an assisted living facility. We don't really have any visibility into how those clusters started. There's a fair amount of community spread on Maui, some of it has been tourism related, which could mean people flying in from Oahu as well as other places. Unfortunately we don't have a lot of transparency here.
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The point is that asymptomatic individual brought it over shouldnt be construed as tourist brought it over. Travel from areas with a lot of cases is a risk factor, whether the traveler is a tourist or a resident, and the quarantine affects all of us, whether would-be tourist or resident. I have my issues with some of what the state and counties are doing, but the repeated implications here that quarantine is something being done to tourists because of some sort of animus are off-base.
- The Wuhan coronavirus was not endemic to Maui or even the state of Hawaii. It had to be imported by infected individuals.
- Individuals can be infected and not show or feel symptoms and they can spread it to others. All it takes is one infected indvidual violating the protocols to sustain the viral spread or reinfect the population.
- The math is simple, multiplicative, and transitive. Any increase in contact from outside a bubble increases the odds of exposure and subsequent transmission inside the bubble. If case count went down to near zero for a period of time then suddenly spiked, odds are significantly greater that the virus was reimported. Ask a virologist if the the virus could have lain dormant for weeks in the resident population (as I said, it could been circulating from asymptomatic individual to asymptomatic individual to ... etc. until the spike occurred) but SOMETHING happened to cause the new spike.
- If you want to prevent new spikes, you can impose an indeterminate quarantine between presumed "safe" population and people from outside the "safe" population with unknown status or you can impose draconian testing frequent enough and long enough to presumably stamp out a dormant virus and verify the population is "safe". The first attacks the economy and the second attacks constitutional privacy protections. In the middle of the extremes is risk management.
#891
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Every day this week, cancelling two weeks/two islands in early November has been on my to-do list. Can't seem to pull the trigger, although I know that pulling the Band-Aid off quickly beats looking at the COVID numbers daily and dying a death by a thousand cuts. I note that the Mauna Kea Hotel is still taking reservations, so I'm not the only one dying by degrees. With all our reservations re-depositable, my little problems aren't a hill of beans in comparison to what many islanders are experiencing. My heart goes out, not only to our Hawaii-based friends, but to the larger FT community and to the entire State.
Maybe I can push inertia aside and unwind the trip...tomorrow.
Maybe I can push inertia aside and unwind the trip...tomorrow.
#892
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Location: NJ
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, UA Silver, dirt elsewhere
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Every day this week, cancelling two weeks/two islands in early November has been on my to-do list. Can't seem to pull the trigger, although I know that pulling the Band-Aid off quickly beats looking at the COVID numbers daily and dying a death by a thousand cuts. I note that the Mauna Kea Hotel is still taking reservations, so I'm not the only one dying by degrees. With all our reservations re-depositable, my little problems aren't a hill of beans in comparison to what many islanders are experiencing. My heart goes out, not only to our Hawaii-based friends, but to the larger FT community and to the entire State.
Maybe I can push inertia aside and unwind the trip...tomorrow.
Maybe I can push inertia aside and unwind the trip...tomorrow.
#893
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: RBKC
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FWIW, on TV the other day, Caldwell said they (I don't remember who, exactly) "got a call from the White House" (exact words) asking what could be done to help. Surprised me to hear those exact words. Could certainly be related to some existing meetings. Who knows.
#894
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York / Hawaii
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Posts: 5,169
The first confirmed COVID+ patient in Hawaii was a Japanese guest who stayed at the Hilton Grand Vacation resort within the Hilton Hawaiian Village. There were never reports confirming they passed it onto others. Later on, there were tourists confirmed COVID+ in Hilo, but they too weren't linked to any spread. I'm not aware of other positive tourists linked to any case now aware of any quarantine violating visitor testing positive or confirmed to spread. Lots of cases of state residents catching it in Washington, California, and Nevada and bringing it back, but I can't recall any non-resident being blamed for spread.
#895
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
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Posts: 7,093
The first confirmed COVID+ patient in Hawaii was a Japanese guest who stayed at the Hilton Grand Vacation resort within the Hilton Hawaiian Village. There were never reports confirming they passed it onto others. Later on, there were tourists confirmed COVID+ in Hilo, but they too weren't linked to any spread. I'm not aware of other positive tourists linked to any case now aware of any quarantine violating visitor testing positive or confirmed to spread. Lots of cases of state residents catching it in Washington, California, and Nevada and bringing it back, but I can't recall any non-resident being blamed for spread.
#896
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: SW Michigan, ex SF Bay Area
Posts: 820
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
Shortly after returning home on February 8th, he was hospitalized with a high fever. He was then diagnosed with pneumonia, and ultimately tested positive for COVID-19.
The governors exact words during the news conference were This is a serious concerns. He adds that the state is prepared for this.
Health officials say they believe the man contracted the virus before he got here or on his way here from Japan.
The best evidence we have suggests he was infected while he was in Japan before he came to Hawaii, said Dr. Bruce Anderson, health department director.
The governors exact words during the news conference were This is a serious concerns. He adds that the state is prepared for this.
Health officials say they believe the man contracted the virus before he got here or on his way here from Japan.
The best evidence we have suggests he was infected while he was in Japan before he came to Hawaii, said Dr. Bruce Anderson, health department director.
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#897
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
Programs: Au: UA, Marriott, Hilton; GE
Posts: 7,093
Would it be this one?
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
#898
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Would it be this one?
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
#899
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
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Everything is brought here including Covid. As Harrison Ford said in that old movie, if you didnt bring it with you it aint here. Think it was six days seven nights or something close to that. Loved that quote though.
I misquoted a little but hit the point, good movie.
https://www.moviequotes.com/s-movie/...-seven-nights/
I misquoted a little but hit the point, good movie.
https://www.moviequotes.com/s-movie/...-seven-nights/
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#900
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: SW Michigan, ex SF Bay Area
Posts: 820
Oops, sorry. Fixed, and also here it is again:
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
Then there's this article that says the first confirmed case in Hawaii was a cruise ship passenger:
First COVID-19 case confirmed in Hawaii
Japanese man tested positive for Coronavirus after returning from trip to Hawaii
Then there's this article that says the first confirmed case in Hawaii was a cruise ship passenger:
First COVID-19 case confirmed in Hawaii