FrugalShopper

The special thing about Caesars is they control a lot of properties. My goal is to find out how to sign up as a new player with no history. I'm not sure whether I would have to get a legal name change or something like that or if there is an easier way. I do love MGM gold, but it would be kind of nice to have a second option. All the other companies charge resort fees etc. so they would be out of the question.

izzik

If you're deciding on a legal name change (which would not do much of anything, since you probably have the same address / driver's license # / ssn) to fraudulently gain access to CET's player program, then good luck in your quest. Just remember that it's all just money. Resort fees / gambling / room rates.. it's the same. Being a part of CET doesn't give you anything that you couldn't buy on your own.

I don't know what your ultimate goal is.. but the gravy train of paying $10/night+tax w/o resort fees and w/o gambling is over. Before you consider extreme options, just keep in mind that CET can go further and ban you from their properties.

FrugalShopper

My intentions are nothing more than being able to play and get deals on rooms. I was wondering if there is a way to sign up as a new player. But it seems that Caesars will not allow one to sign up as new. So the best solution for a marketing restricted Diamond is to pay full price at Caesars, get the resort fee waived, and take all of their play to other properties while staying at Caesars. Not a good business move on Caesars part to tell their members that they won't be rewarded for their play no matter what.

Z1456rh

FrugalShopper you are your own worst enemy. You complain complain about the ban and threaten to go else where but you still want to start over. The issue is you took advantage of CET for such an extended time and now they caught on. How can ANY business survive if they only had customers like you or your friends (Birds of a feather). Move on from CET they will not miss your $5 business. Its not worth it to them. Don't take it personally, no big business can survive this way. If you played a million dollars, they would fly you in and give you whatever room you wanted. I and many other gamblers on this thread KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. Instead of getting fustrated, play off the strip or go downtown, those casinos will appreciate you more and give you more. You complain and yet still fixated with CET, it shows how much you abused the CET program. The real issue is, you will ruin it for everyone else that respects the CET program

FrugalShopper

The proper way for Caesars to handle this would have simply been to stop giving offers to those who didn't play. Then when those people decide to play, give them offers based on play. That is what every casino does. And my friends play a lot, and are very profitable for the casinos. My $5 business is only because Caesars refuses to give me anything no matter what. Otherwise I would gladly give them play. It conveys bad blood, which causes me to steer my friends to other companies, which causes Caesars to lose more money. Caesars owns practically half the strip. I do not want to go downtown or off strip. So in reality there are only 2 companies that own most everything. I guarantee you that these marketing restrictions will hurt Caesars in the long run. Everything they have done since the merger has been short sighted. You're making it sound like I'm a really terrible person that wants to screw the company over. That is not the case at all. Founders has promoted the Diamond status. I do not recall Founders sending stern warnings to members about mandatory play. Which I believe they should based on the massive numbers of people that have been hit with lifetime marketing restrictions.

Z1456rh

CET is coming out of an 18 Billion Bankruptcy. The era of the freebies are being adjusted. They are performing the reset. The seven stars benefits were even reduced. They want to know who the real players are, who the casual players are and who are not worthy during this reset. For many people the free parking and the no resorts fee were already worth it. Twitter was losing money, fired over 60 percent of the workers, yet twitter still functions. CET wants to be profitable, they are trying to sell the Flamingo, They got rid of Ballys AC. CET is actually performing better than the previous years. They are getting rid of the useless. CET will do fine. If you cannot obtain the platinum card with all the tier credit multiplier offers going on all year long. You have no business obtaining this diamond card.

flyer4512

What did you do to get a lifetime ban at CET ?

FrugalShopper

I was dumb and booked rooms without playing. Not comp rooms, just booking while logged in. So generally during the week it would be about $10 a night for the low end properties. In the past they didn't care. Then without warning, notice, anything they did a database sweep looking for members who booked without playing. All of those members received a marketing restriction on their account. There is no automated means to remove a marketing restriction, and no way to talk to the people that can remove it, so hence it is a lifetime ban. The only way I can book rooms now is to not be logged in. Then when I check in, show them my diamond card. I figure this may actually be a good thing. I never have to give them a dime of play when staying and get free parking, no resort fees, VIP lines, etc. That may be cheaper than getting a discounted room and then losing money in the casino. But I do think this marketing restriction thing should be highly publicized, especially to Founders members. It should probably be in all caps on the Caesars benefit page on Founders.

izzik

As a gentle reminder, some key excerpts from CET Rules & Regs link.
Emphasis is mine.


29. Caesars reserves the right to deny anyone application for membership or terminate anyone’s membership in the Program at any time in its sole discretion without recourse.

30. If any Member fails to comply with the Program or the rules of participating properties in any manner, including violations of these rules, misuse of the Caesars Rewards card, fraud, misrepresentation, improper conduct, violation of laws or any Member is or should be excluded from gaming at any participating property, all as determined by Caesars in its sole discretion, Caesars may terminate the Member’s membership in the Program. In lieu of termination, Caesars may, at its sole discretion, deduct Reward Credits from a Member’s account and/or demote the Member’s account status, but permit the individual to remain a Caesars Rewards Member. In the event of a Member’s termination for any reason, the Member’s Reward Credits shall immediately expire. Caesars shall have no obligation to award any compensation and there shall be no other recourse for the account termination or the expired Reward Credits.

FormerAmtrakTraveler

Long time FC holder but Vegas newbie.

I have successfully "signed up" for Caesars Diamond via FC. I am going to a conference held at MGM and booked MGM when Caesar's Palace was sold out for the dates I needed. (I just realized there's guaranteed availability 3 days out but the MGM booking through the conference is not cancellable )

The only record of my Caesars Diamond is on the app. Would appreciate some help with these questions:

• If I go visit Caesars how do I "activate" my Diamond benefits?
  • Do I just flash the app at restaurants etc?
  • If I'm not staying there is that frowned upon? Scanning this thread I see people getting tagged with "marketing restriction". Would using the benefits without staying (or gaming much) do it?
  • What's a must-do thing with Diamond benefits you guys would recommend?
• Am I able to match to MGM Gold with the Caesars Diamond "digital" card in the app only?
  • If so, will I be able to get MGM to recognize the gold for this stay, or would it have to be after?
  • Where do I do this? At the concierge desk?

Thanks for any help!

mtofell

The first thing to do would be stop by a "Cesar's Rewards" desk at any of the Cesar properties and they'll get you a physical card. After that you can status match but the properties usually will typically only do that in person. I've suspected that's to push back when they have to start giving benefits until your next trip. So, in this case, you wouldn't earn any gold benefits at MGM this trip.

As for Cesars getting cranky about using the card without staying there it's hard to say. They keep the "rules" pretty close to their chest. I'd probably try to gamble a bit. Keep in mind too it's really how much money you lose but how much time you spend and how much you bet. Also, in looking at your post you say Cesars was sold out. Do you know they have a lot of other properties? I'd probably start here: https://www.caesars.com/myrewards/profile/signin/ and try to make an account. Then you can look at booking other properties. IIRC, Planet Hollywood would be the closest Cesar property to the MGM although any of the ones on the east side of the strip are a pretty easy monorail ride. Fwiw, Cesar's Palace would be the worst as it's on the other side of the strip from the monorail and MGM... and is the farthest away.

baccarat_king

You'll have no problem getting your Caesars Rewards Diamond Card at any desk as long as the upgrade has been processed online.

Caesars Rewards Diamond no longer upgrades to MGM Gold.
The scheme is now:
DIAMOND: advance to MGM Rewards Pearl tier
DIAMOND PLUS: advance to MGM Rewards Gold tier
DIAMOND ELITE & SEVEN STAR: advance to MGM Rewards Platinum tier
You can read more on the MGM Rewards Tier Match Page.

The best Diamond Benefits are in markets outside of Vegas. This is especially with regard to lounge access. I can expand more if you want. Diamond PLUS now gets $25x4 beverage coupons daily in the Las Vegas Market. I find this benefit is better than the Laural (Diamond) Lounges. Laurel Lounges will require a co-pay in many markets for access (with Caesars Rewards Points); there are a few markets where you can still access the lounges for no co-pay as a Caesars Rewards Diamond.

Marketing restrictions happen when you use too many casino offers, and your play is not consistent with your historical play. I can also expand more on this. This is not really an issue for non-gamblers. Though if, perchance, you are offered some comp or "very cheap" Caesars Rewards Room Nights (below normal prices), and you use many of those offers and never gamble, you are likely to become marketing restricted and not see those offers again in the future. You don't want to be restricted since it is very hard (impossible) to get it reversed.

FormerAmtrakTraveler

Thanks! It doesn't sound like Diamond is all that useful in my case, but I will try to visit one of the desks and at least check it out. And get matched to Pearl even though that doesn't seem all that useful either.

Any recommendations for amazing must-do restaurants at Caesar's, MGM or anywhere on the Strip?

mtofell

Yeah, one benefit you should definitely use is the Celebration Dinner - it's a $100 dining credit and they'll give you a list of restaurants. I used mine at an Asian place in Caesar's Palace and it was pretty good. Giada at The Cromwell was really good but the $100 doesn't go too far there.

The Miracle Mile shops that is essentially part of Planet Hollywood (a moderate walk from MGM) is a pretty cool mall with some good dining options. There's a Mexican Place (La Salsa Cantina) that has cheap breakfast and good drinks. Also, Ocean One Bar/Grill is a amazingly good value - everything is kind of happy hour/ala carte priced and is surprisingly good for the price. Something I've done many times is to take the monorail up a few casinos and take a few hours walking back - eat/drink, gamble, shop, etc. It saves you from having to backtrack. There's LOTS to see on the strip from MGM northward.

baccarat_king

• Use your $100 credit. I really like the new Martha Stewart Restaurant at Paris. You have lots of options.
• No resort fees; this can save you a lot of money.
• Free parking can also save you a lot of money.

What were you looking for? Diamond is not as strong as it used to be, and sadly it's very unlikely lounges will return to Vegas. Diamond Plus is the way to go, if you can handle the action. There is a 10x tier multiplier in Vegas end of August. You can easily get Diamond Plus in one day of play (you can actually earn a max of 51k tier points in one day of play, if you really wanted to).