New and cancelled destinations, major schedule and operational changes
Feb 22, 2017, 2:39 am
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Yup, one daily is really difficult to get to work with current structure.
With the schedule I made up, the different legs have different purposes, serving different groups of pax. Label the segments A-D:
EU to HKG/SIN: D + A
EU to asia: B + C
HKG/SIN to EU: A + D
Asia to EU: C + B
FIN to EU, typically day-trip: A + D
So this structure serves these main demands, but leaves pretty crappy schedule for the EU-HEL traveller (B + C). I guess that is collateral they are prepared to take, and if there really is a need, they will increase to 3 or 4 daily or in some cases leave a machine on the ground overnight at outstation so the rotations are reversed (A and C being inbound instead of outbound)
The only way to serve the longhaul network with one daily shorthaul would be to depart HEL late afternoon (say 1630-ish) and depart from outstation the next day before 11. That would tie one bird down pretty badly and make a crappy schedule fore FIN based.
With the schedule I made up, the different legs have different purposes, serving different groups of pax. Label the segments A-D:
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A: HEL-CGN 07:30-09.00 B: CGN-HEL 11.30-15.00 C: HEL-CGN 16.00-17.30 D: CGN-HEL 18.30-22.00
EU to HKG/SIN: D + A
EU to asia: B + C
HKG/SIN to EU: A + D
Asia to EU: C + B
FIN to EU, typically day-trip: A + D
So this structure serves these main demands, but leaves pretty crappy schedule for the EU-HEL traveller (B + C). I guess that is collateral they are prepared to take, and if there really is a need, they will increase to 3 or 4 daily or in some cases leave a machine on the ground overnight at outstation so the rotations are reversed (A and C being inbound instead of outbound)
The only way to serve the longhaul network with one daily shorthaul would be to depart HEL late afternoon (say 1630-ish) and depart from outstation the next day before 11. That would tie one bird down pretty badly and make a crappy schedule fore FIN based.
Last edited by intuition; Feb 22, 2017 at 2:47 am
Feb 22, 2017, 4:06 am
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Feb 22, 2017, 5:49 am
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AFAIK, Finnair has no intention to increase the narrowbody fleet, nor the shorthaul network.
From Finnair investor relations, my bolding.
My reading - no significant investment in numbers of narrowbody aircraft, only increase capacity by packing cabins tighter and possibly by replacing smaller aircraft with larger ones. Without more planes there is no way to support more destinations.
From Finnair investor relations, my bolding.
Finnair will leverage its competitive advantage in selected markets by focusing on 30 cities and their catchment areas globally. Asia will be our focus area in network development and growth. While China continues to provide the highest long term potential, other countries in Northeast Asia and Southeast Asia offer new opportunities and growth potential. Finnair will also develop North America as a market aiming to maintain the current ratio between Asian and North American destinations. As our long haul network grows, we must equally increase our capacity in short haul feeder traffic. Increasing the average narrow body aircraft size and adding more seats to current narrow body fleet support unit cost improvement and higher productivity while enabling long haul feeder growth.
Feb 22, 2017, 6:10 am
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Interesting - I seem to recall that they were buying a number of A32x because the increased pax volume on the A350s canot be supported by the current short haul feeder fleet. Sure it can also mean upgrading the Embraer fllet to A32x with the number of ac remaining the same.
I just wonder what will be the new SE-Asia destinations referred to in the quote - ID, PH, MY?
I just wonder what will be the new SE-Asia destinations referred to in the quote - ID, PH, MY?
Feb 22, 2017, 6:14 am
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AFAIK, Finnair has no intention to increase the narrowbody fleet, nor the shorthaul network.
From Finnair investor relations, my bolding.
My reading - no significant investment in numbers of narrowbody aircraft, only increase capacity by packing cabins tighter and possibly by replacing smaller aircraft with larger ones. Without more planes there is no way to support more destinations.
From Finnair investor relations, my bolding.
My reading - no significant investment in numbers of narrowbody aircraft, only increase capacity by packing cabins tighter and possibly by replacing smaller aircraft with larger ones. Without more planes there is no way to support more destinations.
In any case, for J passengers, the AY future sardine cans might not seem that impressive if compared to a one-stop CX, TK or Gulf Airlines widebody departures from the same city (as is the case f.ex at DUS and FRA)
Feb 22, 2017, 6:17 am
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Yes 5 A321 have been added, some of them to replace B757...
No new narrow-bodies on order AFAIK.
No new narrow-bodies on order AFAIK.
Feb 22, 2017, 6:20 am
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CX has a stranglehold on the Philippines due to the importance of Hong Kong regarding the Island Nation and I just don't see enough extra demand to Jakarta/Surabaya/Denpasar or Kuala Lumpur when Cathay and Singapore Air already offer a one stop premium alternative for business people and wealthy holiday makers.
Feb 22, 2017, 6:48 am
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Feb 22, 2017, 8:00 am
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And they are replacing smaller crafts, aren't they?
https://company.finnair.com/en/media...ews?id=2075978
https://company.finnair.com/en/media...ews?id=2075978
The transactions are part of Finnair’s fleet renewal, the first phase of which consists of replacing aging long-haul A340 wide-body aircraft with modern A350s. With a view to the growing long-haul traffic, feeder capacity is increased by adding seats to existing narrowbody aircraft and replacing some smaller aircraft with larger ones over the next few years. The A321 is Airbus’ largest narrow-body passenger aircraft, and the Finnair configuration will feature 209 seats.
Feb 22, 2017, 8:33 am
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Speaking of boosting Germany service:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...route-20170222
Interesting: ATR72 on the Berlin route
Edit: Just checked a few dates and no ATR72 is scheduled, only NoRRA E90 on certain rotations.
[CODE]Results from ExpertFlyer.com
and more flights to CPH, too:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...route-20170222
Finnair increases Berlin service from April 2017
Posted 22 February 2017 08:00
Finnair in summer 2017 season plans to increase Helsinki – Berlin Tegel route, with the addition of 3rd daily flight. The new flight will commence on 10APR17, departing Helsinki near noon hours.
This route is served by Airbus A319/320/321 as well as Embraer E190 and ATR72 aircraft.
AY911 HEL0750 – 0845TXL EQV D
AY913 HEL1130 – 1225TXL EQV D
AY917 HEL1700 – 1755TXL EQV D
AY914 TXL0935 – 1225HEL EQV 6
AY914 TXL0950 – 1240HEL EQV x6
AY912 TXL1315 – 1605HEL EQV D
AY918 TXL1910 – 2200HEL EQV D
Posted 22 February 2017 08:00
Finnair in summer 2017 season plans to increase Helsinki – Berlin Tegel route, with the addition of 3rd daily flight. The new flight will commence on 10APR17, departing Helsinki near noon hours.
This route is served by Airbus A319/320/321 as well as Embraer E190 and ATR72 aircraft.
AY911 HEL0750 – 0845TXL EQV D
AY913 HEL1130 – 1225TXL EQV D
AY917 HEL1700 – 1755TXL EQV D
AY914 TXL0935 – 1225HEL EQV 6
AY914 TXL0950 – 1240HEL EQV x6
AY912 TXL1315 – 1605HEL EQV D
AY918 TXL1910 – 2200HEL EQV D
Interesting: ATR72 on the Berlin route
Edit: Just checked a few dates and no ATR72 is scheduled, only NoRRA E90 on certain rotations.
[CODE]Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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Flight Timetables Search: Search HEL to TXL on 04/10/17 up to 7 days Flight Stops Depart Arrive Aircraft Duration Frequency Effective Ending AB 8071 0 HEL 7:00 AM TXL 7:55 AM 320 1 hr 55 mins Su 03/26/17 10/22/17 AB 8071 0 HEL 7:00 AM TXL 7:55 AM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F,Sa 03/27/17 10/28/17 EY (AB) 1538 0 HEL 7:00 AM TXL 7:55 AM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F,Sa 03/27/17 10/28/17 VA (AB) 7305 0 HEL 7:00 AM TXL 7:55 AM 320 1 hr 55 mins Daily 03/26/17 10/28/17 AY 911 0 HEL 7:50 AM TXL 8:45 AM E90 1 hr 55 mins Daily 04/10/17 10/28/17 AY 913 0 HEL 11:30 AM TXL 12:25 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,Th,Su 04/10/17 04/16/17 AY 913 0 HEL 11:30 AM TXL 12:25 PM 319 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,F 04/12/17 04/18/17 AY 913 0 HEL 11:30 AM TXL 12:25 PM 32B 1 hr 55 mins Sa 04/15/17 04/29/17 AB 8073 0 HEL 12:15 PM TXL 1:10 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Su 03/26/17 10/22/17 AB 8073 0 HEL 12:15 PM TXL 1:10 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,Th,Sa 03/27/17 10/28/17 AB 8073 0 HEL 12:15 PM TXL 1:10 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins W,F 03/29/17 10/27/17 EY (AB) 1537 0 HEL 12:15 PM TXL 1:10 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Daily 03/26/17 10/28/17 AB 8075 0 HEL 4:15 PM TXL 5:10 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Su 03/26/17 10/22/17 AY 917 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F,Su 03/27/17 04/10/17 AY 917 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 32B 1 hr 55 mins Sa 04/01/17 04/29/17 AY 917 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 319 1 hr 55 mins M,T 04/11/17 04/17/17 AY 917 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins T,W,Th,F,Su 04/12/17 04/20/17 JL (AY) 6823 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F,Su 03/27/17 04/10/17 JL (AB) 6823 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 32B 1 hr 55 mins Sa 04/01/17 04/29/17 JL (AY) 6823 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins T,W,Th,F,Su 04/12/17 04/20/17 JL (AY) 6823 0 HEL 5:00 PM TXL 5:55 PM 319 1 hr 55 mins M,T 04/11/17 04/17/17 AB 8077 0 HEL 7:50 PM TXL 8:45 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Su 03/26/17 10/22/17 AB 8077 0 HEL 7:50 PM TXL 8:45 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F 03/27/17 10/27/17 AB 8077 0 HEL 7:50 PM TXL 8:45 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Sa 04/01/17 10/28/17 EY (AB) 1540 0 HEL 7:50 PM TXL 8:45 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins M,T,W,Th,F,Su 03/26/17 10/27/17 VA (AB) 7307 0 HEL 7:50 PM TXL 8:45 PM 320 1 hr 55 mins Daily 03/26/17 10/28/17
Finnair boosts Copenhagen flights June - August 2017
Posted 22 February 2017 08:30
Finnair during summer peak season plans to expand Helsinki – Copenhagen route, from 18JUN17 to 12AUG17. During this period, up to 6 daily flights will be added (7 daily on Mondays, 4 daily on Saturdays), operating as AY669/670. Planned schedule as follow.
AY669 HEL1635 – 1715CPH 319 x6
AY669 HEL1635 – 1715CPH 321 6
AY670 CPH1805 – 2035HEL 319 x6
AY670 CPH1805 – 2035HEL 321 6
Posted 22 February 2017 08:30
Finnair during summer peak season plans to expand Helsinki – Copenhagen route, from 18JUN17 to 12AUG17. During this period, up to 6 daily flights will be added (7 daily on Mondays, 4 daily on Saturdays), operating as AY669/670. Planned schedule as follow.
AY669 HEL1635 – 1715CPH 319 x6
AY669 HEL1635 – 1715CPH 321 6
AY670 CPH1805 – 2035HEL 319 x6
AY670 CPH1805 – 2035HEL 321 6
Last edited by florens; Feb 22, 2017 at 8:42 am
Feb 22, 2017, 8:52 am
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Not replacing initially, 8 new and leased A321 airplanes (not ER though) on order and the first one (OHLZ-) will start in ~2 weeks, 209 seats and additionally AY will modify the remaining A319/A320 fleet removing galley and passenger storage to accommodate more seats to the current configuration.
More rows => less space for your handluggage and possibly less leg-space.
The long-term SH fleet structure still remains to be decided, E90 is a work-horse in short to medium-range EU flights, but may not be an ideal solution for ASIA-EU feeder considering passenger comfort. But knowing AY this may be of less interest to them.
More rows => less space for your handluggage and possibly less leg-space.
The long-term SH fleet structure still remains to be decided, E90 is a work-horse in short to medium-range EU flights, but may not be an ideal solution for ASIA-EU feeder considering passenger comfort. But knowing AY this may be of less interest to them.
Feb 22, 2017, 8:57 am
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And they are replacing smaller crafts, aren't they?
https://company.finnair.com/en/media...ews?id=2075978
https://company.finnair.com/en/media...ews?id=2075978