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CaptainEKAirbus Feb 16, 2012 11:37 pm

I don't think we'll see EK flying any routes DXB-MAN-YYZ/YUL/YYC/YVR as it doesn't really suit the business model of EK, as they rely on connecting passengers via 1 stop ie. Dubai. As a counter argument of course many of you might see the Australian flights via their respective Asia stop-overs, ie. DXB-KUL-MEL or DXB-SIN-BNE... but I think its fair enough to say that these routes rely quite heavily on the O&D traffic i.e. from KUL-MEL and SIN-BNE, (and of course their returns!) and in a case of MAN-YYZ/YUL/YYC/YVR there just isn't that much of a market to make it suitable for EK flights, not to mention these markets being incredibly low yielding as well!
I think its already clear evidence that with DXB-HAM-JFK not working, due to the flight HAM-JFK having such low loads, it'd probably be the same for any flight across the Atlantic from MAN.
As for logistics of this 'hub' we definitely wouldn't see aircraft being based there, or any EK pilots being based outside of Dubai, thats a given.
If we see any airline create a hub from MAN, it'll be EY, they seem to be okay with testing markets no one else is prepared to try.

Just my two cents!

Face81 Feb 17, 2012 2:25 am


Originally Posted by CaptainEKAirbus (Post 18031817)
As for logistics of this 'hub' we definitely wouldn't see aircraft being based there, or any EK pilots being based outside of Dubai, thats a given. If we see any airline create a hub from MAN, it'll be EY, they seem to be okay with testing markets no one else is prepared to try.

Just my two cents!

Why would EK pilots need to be based in MAN? The idea is that it would ALWAYS be a return DXB-MAN-Canada flight......

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 2:58 am


Originally Posted by CaptainEKAirbus (Post 18031817)
I don't think we'll see EK flying any routes DXB-MAN-YYZ/YUL/YYC/YVR as it doesn't really suit the business model of EK, as they rely on connecting passengers via 1 stop ie. Dubai. As a counter argument of course many of you might see the Australian flights via their respective Asia stop-overs, ie. DXB-KUL-MEL or DXB-SIN-BNE... but I think its fair enough to say that these routes rely quite heavily on the O&D traffic i.e. from KUL-MEL and SIN-BNE, (and of course their returns!) and in a case of MAN-YYZ/YUL/YYC/YVR there just isn't that much of a market to make it suitable for EK flights, not to mention these markets being incredibly low yielding as well!
I think its already clear evidence that with DXB-HAM-JFK not working, due to the flight HAM-JFK having such low loads, it'd probably be the same for any flight across the Atlantic from MAN.
As for logistics of this 'hub' we definitely wouldn't see aircraft being based there, or any EK pilots being based outside of Dubai, thats a given.
If we see any airline create a hub from MAN, it'll be EY, they seem to be okay with testing markets no one else is prepared to try.

Just my two cents!

You're right about the point about EK being focused on 'One stop Dubai', so may not suit their business model, but as you say, you could talk about the Australia routes. The yield on MAN transatlantic markets could be very high. Currently, MAN is served by daily flights to EWR, JFK, IAD, ORD, ATL and PHL, all by American Carriers, mostly 752s and some 763s. (In addition, daily services to MCO, a few weekly varying to LAS by VS and thrice weekly YYZ by Air Transat, not a very famous carrier in Britain). However, in Britain, there is very bad press about American carriers so you'll find that a large proportion of people from the MAN catchment, maybe even most, travel to the USA and Canada by connecting in LHR (and FRA,AMS,CDG) because of good frequencies and better carriers (according to them). Whereas EK is a highly recognised carrier in Britain, as Tim Clark pointed out in that interview that was previously linked, so if they operated transatlantic services from MAN, they would unlock a market that is underserved.
HAM-JFK is a completely different case. Not only were emirates less established, but comparing HAM-JFK to a MAN transatlantic route is like comparing LHR's transatlantics to FRA's. Completely different stories.

Nope, no aircraft based there though. There aren't any aircraft based at CMB,BKK,KUL or SIN either.

But yes, EY are more likely to test markets, e.g. AUH-ORD.

Face81 Feb 17, 2012 4:14 am

I wonder which of these cities will be next? Also, a nice way for EK to get some coverage in Montreal :P
http://i40.tinypic.com/4gjlua.jpg

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 4:20 am


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18032413)
I wonder which of these cities will be next? Also, a nice way for EK to get some coverage in Montreal :p

Non-stop dailies to Chicago and Washington?
A few weekly non-stop frequencies to Montreal?

Face81 Feb 17, 2012 4:35 am


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18032434)
Non-stop dailies to Chicago and Washington?
A few weekly non-stop frequencies to Montreal?

Add Non stop frequencies to Montreal and Calgary and a direct link to Atlanta, Miami/Orlando and Mexico City and EK will have North America covered ;)

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 4:51 am


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18032468)
Add Non stop frequencies to Montreal and Calgary and a direct link to Atlanta, Miami/Orlando and Mexico City and EK will have North America covered ;)

Could they sustain a non-stop for Calgary? Don't want restart the debate again, but maybe a scissor hub would be called for for this.
Isn't the main business to Atlanta onward connections, which Delta already have business from Dubai for.
Yep, Mexico City. Needed. But probably can't be daily at first. Possibly Middle Eastern migrant connections there as well, mainly MEX-DXB-BEY?
Emirates might get more business in America if they get another N.American codeshare, I mean, the codeshare with United has been dropped, but I think there may be an interline agreement with Alaska Airlines and JetBlue?

Face81 Feb 17, 2012 4:57 am


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18032496)
Could they sustain a non-stop for Calgary? Don't want restart the debate again, but maybe a scissor hub would be called for for this.

Isn't the main business to Atlanta onward connections, which Delta already have business from Dubai for.

Yep, Mexico City. Needed. But probably can't be daily at first. Possibly Middle Eastern migrant connections there as well, mainly MEX-DXB-BEY?

Emirates might get more business in America if they get another N.American codeshare, I mean, the codeshare with United has been dropped, but I think there may be an interline agreement with Alaska Airlines and JetBlue?

Calgary would have to be via another hub - the UK perhaps, as we discussed.

As for Atl and DL, a bit of healthy competition never hurt and besides, a long time ago, DL and EK used to codeshare. I used to take advantage of that link whenever I flew to the US.

blackmamba Feb 17, 2012 6:59 am


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18032468)
Add Non stop frequencies to Montreal and Calgary and a direct link to Atlanta, Miami/Orlando and Mexico City and EK will have North America covered ;)

Seriously, at that rate EK is going to be flying A380s to Winston-Salem and Boise, Idaho and conquer the entire US market. Could you just imagine an A380 service from DCA to JFK 5 times in a day?

Face81 Feb 17, 2012 7:21 am


Originally Posted by blackmamba (Post 18032904)
Could you just imagine an A380 service from DCA to JFK 5 times in a day?

It will probably become a reality soon.... I mean EK already flies the DXB-LHR route 5 times a day and this is set to become 6 next year according to rumours, with 5 out of the 6 flights being an A380! :p And that's on top of the 3 daily flights to LGW!

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 7:22 am


Originally Posted by blackmamba (Post 18032904)
Seriously, at that rate EK is going to be flying A380s to Winston-Salem and Boise, Idaho and conquer the entire US market. Could you just imagine an A380 service from DCA to JFK 5 times in a day?

No, I couldn't. But I could imagine IAD to JFK 1 or 2 times, that is if United, Delta or American order any A380s.

N830MH Feb 17, 2012 9:47 am


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18033041)
No, I couldn't. But I could imagine IAD to JFK 1 or 2 times, that is if United, Delta or American order any A380s.

I don't think its happening anytime soon unless if they have enough financial. If they will order the entire A380 in a distant the future. UA is considers to order the A380. This could be potential to order the A380.

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 10:23 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 18033948)
I don't think its happening anytime soon unless if they have enough financial. If they will order the entire A380 in a distant the future. UA is considers to order the A380. This could be potential to order the A380.

Any articles on UA and the A380? Any news or announcements?

blackmamba Feb 17, 2012 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18033041)
No, I couldn't. But I could imagine IAD to JFK 1 or 2 times, that is if United, Delta or American order any A380s.

I was kidding guys...there is no freakin way an airline is ever going to run IAD - JFK on an A380. This isn't a trip to Mecca/Jeddah...

razMJ Feb 17, 2012 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by blackmamba (Post 18035202)
I was kidding guys...there is no freakin way an airline is ever going to run IAD - JFK on an A380. This isn't a trip to Mecca/Jeddah...

Its busier. I think its more likely that busier, but longer US domestic routes like JFK-LAX (World's 30th busiest passenger air route) and JFK-ORD (world no. 33) would be operated by A380 if any American carriers order the A380.


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