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razMJ Feb 16, 2012 3:59 am


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18020138)
MAN might be preferable, but as much as we all like to think of EK and EY as rivals, they belong to the same country and are therefore predisposed to complimenting each other as much as possible.

If EY have their eyes set on an MAN t-Atlantic hub, then EK will opt for another gateway. LGW might be a better fit given that it is in London and can offer shuttle connections from LHR if needed. Plus it would be an additional London daily, which is very much the need of the hour!

As for the A380-range issue, I think it becomes irrelevant if the UK-hop means more access to Canada ;)

Whoever gets to MAN first I guess! Both probably have their eyes on it, and I believe that MAN is probably the best of the UK Airports as it is underserved to USA and Canada considering the demand, whereas the London transatlantic market is soon to become saturated. Anyone know if Qatar has their eyes on anything like this?
Didn't EK used to operate one of their 2 JFK dailies via Frankfurt? How did that work out for them, just as a comparison? I know that SQ FRA-JFK with an A380.

Face81 Feb 16, 2012 5:21 am


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18025608)
Whoever gets to MAN first I guess! Both probably have their eyes on it, and I believe that MAN is probably the best of the UK Airports as it is underserved to USA and Canada considering the demand, whereas the London transatlantic market is soon to become saturated. Anyone know if Qatar has their eyes on anything like this?
Didn't EK used to operate one of their 2 JFK dailies via Frankfurt? How did that work out for them, just as a comparison? I know that SQ FRA-JFK with an A380.

Not sure why the DXB-FRA-JFK route was dropped.... Might have had something to do with Lufthansa! Lol.

A hop into Canada via the UK will be an excellent way to get more access.... Neither will opt for a hop in to the US as direct flights offer greater convenience and allow both EY and EK to show off their fantastic new aircraft ;)

NOIR Feb 16, 2012 5:49 am

It was DXB-HAM-JFK.

Face81 Feb 16, 2012 6:29 am


Originally Posted by NOIR (Post 18025911)
It was DXB-HAM-JFK.

Any idea why it was axed?

razMJ Feb 16, 2012 6:34 am


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18026060)
Any idea why it was axed?

My guess is that they probably thought that there would be more Americans on the flight without the stop, for connections, due to a passenger load comparison between the non-stop flight and this one, and that there were less passengers travelling only from HAM to JFK.

blackmamba Feb 16, 2012 6:48 am


Originally Posted by NOIR (Post 18019900)
If EY keep buying stakes in airlines they'll have a hub on every corner of the Earth. :D

What better way to kill the BA/AA TA tie up better than offer to buy a stake in AA while they're in Chapter 11 ???? ..........that's while they're in the process of buying the Empire State Building at the same time to say the least. :D

Ha NO way this is going to happen! American would never let Etihad purchase them. It's too shameful to see AMERICAN Airlines being purchased by an airline company from the UAE. Those talks about British Airways buying American were all rumors.

An airline company with deep ties to their country never sells out to a foreign corporation. Just see Philippine Airlines after the Asian Financial Crisis as an example. Cathay Pacific offered to buy them and even took over some of their operations when they shut down but there was no way a sane Filipino would want to sell the freakin' flag carrier of the country to a foreign company.

sadiqhassan Feb 16, 2012 9:38 am


Originally Posted by razMJ (Post 18026081)
My guess is that they probably thought that there would be more Americans on the flight without the stop, for connections, due to a passenger load comparison between the non-stop flight and this one, and that there were less passengers travelling only from HAM to JFK.

My guess is that 3 x daily to JFK was too much capacity and that the flights were running full DXB-HAM-DXB with almost no-one going on to JFK and unimpressive pax #s for HAM-JFK-HAM.

MucEKPer Feb 16, 2012 10:31 am

Was the HAM-JFK a 3rd Daily JFK or a second daily which then converted into a direct flight?

sadiqhassan Feb 16, 2012 11:07 am


Originally Posted by MucEKPer (Post 18027592)
Was the HAM-JFK a 3rd Daily JFK or a second daily which then converted into a direct flight?

third daily with similar timings to EK201/202

razMJ Feb 16, 2012 11:15 am

After they introduced A388 to JFK, three dailies would have been too much along with the other reasons for withdrawal of Hamburg-JFK.

Also, about the scissor hub, I don't think that EK and EY would use only one UK Airport (e.g. MAN, LGW) I think that they may use a few, even one in Mainland W.Europe, similar to the scissor hubs that EK use in Asia (CMB, SIN, KUL, BKK).

kataka Feb 16, 2012 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18026060)
Any idea why it was axed?

Too fierce competition from Continental on HAM-JFK-HAM sectors.

The axing took place several years before A388 went into service.

rowanparker Feb 16, 2012 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18019016)
We already know EK are gearing up for trans Pacific connections via LAX and SFO, so why not do the same over the Atlantic via the UK?

Anymore info on this? Which airports on the western side of the Pacific?

Xlr Feb 16, 2012 9:12 pm

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-clark-363647/

Supporting news report. Though Tim Clark does admit they have to consolidate their position in the USA first, and I think he is quite right.

I have no more info though, sorry.

N830MH Feb 16, 2012 11:03 pm


Originally Posted by Face81 (Post 18026060)
Any idea why it was axed?

Yes, because the loads wasn't good enough at all. it's very poor performers. The loads is terrible. They couldn't have enough completing against CO.

N830MH Feb 16, 2012 11:08 pm

More A380 is on the way
 
Hi All,

EK will received #22 A380 (A6-EDV) will delivered sometime in March 29, 2012.


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