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Old Sep 24, 2015, 1:00 pm
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 1:44 pm
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Really got to wonder about AA cancelling TLV altogether.
I can accept as believable that PHL didn't/can't make money. . . . but now that DL are increasing capacity?!?!? Really, why didn't AA just shift into JFK? Or LAX? Or MIA?
Something just doesn't compute.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 1:47 pm
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From DL's press release:
The additional flights will complement Delta's existing daily service to Tel Aviv for a total of 11 weekly flights between the two cities and third largest trans-Atlantic market.
Really? TLV is NYC's 3rd largest trans-Atlantic market? Wow.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by LatusElAl
Really got to wonder about AA cancelling TLV altogether.
I can accept as believable that PHL didn't/can't make money. . . . but now that DL are increasing capacity?!?!? Really, why didn't AA just shift into JFK? Or LAX? Or MIA?
Something just doesn't compute.
PHL isn't NYC. NYC represents a significantly larger O&D population, not to mention that all the airlines have major connecting operations there (UA in EWR, DL in JFK, LY to B6 in JFK). PHL doesn't have the O&D, and as a transit point, just isn't what other options are, like transiting in Europe (LHR/MAD). Many people prefer to connect in Europe when they need to anyways connect (not needing to claim bags does save a lot of time, and connections can be shorter in Europe as you don't need to clear passport control).

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From DL's press release:


Really? TLV is NYC's 3rd largest trans-Atlantic market? Wow.
While you can't trust everything on Wikipedia, it does list TLV as JFK's 7th largest international market as of June 2013 with two destinations above it not TATL, and Wikipedia lists TLV as EWR's 2nd largest international destination.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 2:13 pm
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I said I CAN understand and accept AA's claim that PHL was a loser . . . . but with DL now expanding capacity - seems very odd the AA didn't just shift to JFK - especially if its (as claimed by DL) the 3rd largest trans-Atlantic market from NYC.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 4:46 am
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TLV -SFO
UA to start SFO-TLV three times a week with a 787.
Saw it on FB
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 4:51 am
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New routes / extra frequencies to and from TLV - all airlines
From ynet:
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4708486,00.html
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 5:34 am
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Originally Posted by gordo6
Interesting and quite exciting news!
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by Houminer
UA to start SFO-TLV three times a week with a 787.
Saw it on FB
And AA just can't make it work?!?!?
C'mon . . . . .
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 7:11 am
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Originally Posted by LatusElAl
And AA just can't make it work?!?!?
C'mon . . . . .
Either AA has the worst management of any US legacy carrier that they couldn't figure out how to turn a profit from fully booked flights at high price points or there is something else that they are not saying (I bet on option B).
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 7:31 am
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Is there enough west coast traffic to support both this and LY's LAX route? While not directly competing, I am sure there are a lot of pax who could take either service with close to the same level of convenience.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 7:33 am
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New routes / extra frequencies to and from TLV - all airlines
Finnair is adding additional TLV flights in the summer:

http://www.tnet.org.il/sitefiles/1/2444/94976.asp
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by sds1493
Is there enough west coast traffic to support both this and LY's LAX route? While not directly competing, I am sure there are a lot of pax who could take either service with close to the same level of convenience.
There is enough demand on the part of business pax SFO-TLV that only minimal leisure pax are necessary to make it a go. Many (and I mean many) of the titans of Israel's tech world have been pushing hard for this route.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by sds1493
Is there enough west coast traffic to support both this and LY's LAX route? While not directly competing, I am sure there are a lot of pax who could take either service with close to the same level of convenience.
I believe there is a high demand for SFO, especially in J and not very price sensitive. My guess is that we will see normal Y prices in the range of 1000-1500 r/t but extremely high J prices to cover the cost. UA should have no problem filling their planes, especially in premium cabins.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by gordo6
Finnair is adding additional TLV flights in the summer:

http://www.tnet.org.il/sitefiles/1/2444/94976.asp
That is fantastic news for OneWorld members (primarily BA) as it now opens up a route to get to London earlier in the morning - the connecting flight from HEL-LHR arrives at 9:05. That in turn opens up many more connection options to the West coast of the USA.
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