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New routes / extra frequencies to and from TLV - all airlines
May 18, 2012, 1:31 am
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Hmm, I dunno, I think ORD being the hub that it is should have a slightyly inferior P.S. to JFK/EWR but better than the normal mid-cons.
Does anyone know how KE's SEL-TLV service is going? I know that they've upgraded it from an A332 to a 772. Possibilty of daily?
May 20, 2012, 10:47 am
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That's what I usually do, then head back to the E gates at around 8:15.
Lol the Aryan thing, imagine what I feel like in full chassidishe levush. Burich Sheh Loi Usani Goy is what I have to say!
Hmm, I dunno, I think ORD being the hub that it is should have a slightyly inferior P.S. to JFK/EWR but better than the normal mid-cons.
Agree with you on the entertainment systems.
Does anyone know how KE's SEL-TLV service is going? I know that they've upgraded it from an A332 to a 772. Possibilty of daily?
Lol the Aryan thing, imagine what I feel like in full chassidishe levush. Burich Sheh Loi Usani Goy is what I have to say!
Hmm, I dunno, I think ORD being the hub that it is should have a slightyly inferior P.S. to JFK/EWR but better than the normal mid-cons.
Agree with you on the entertainment systems.
Does anyone know how KE's SEL-TLV service is going? I know that they've upgraded it from an A332 to a 772. Possibilty of daily?
Jun 19, 2012, 3:38 pm
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AB Doubling Their Flights
AB is doubling their weekly flights, TXL-TLV, from 3 to 6, at the end of June. Prices are $142 for one-way if booked online, or $159.
This is to more heavily compete with LH, who added 2 weekly flights TXL-TLV, on Saturday and Sunday.
Source - Globes: Air Berlin doubles weekly Tel Aviv flights
This is to more heavily compete with LH, who added 2 weekly flights TXL-TLV, on Saturday and Sunday.
Source - Globes: Air Berlin doubles weekly Tel Aviv flights
Jun 22, 2012, 12:08 am
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AB is doubling their weekly flights, TXL-TLV, from 3 to 6, at the end of June. Prices are $142 for one-way if booked online, or $159.
This is to more heavily compete with LH, who added 2 weekly flights TXL-TLV, on Saturday and Sunday.
Source - Globes: Air Berlin doubles weekly Tel Aviv flights
This is to more heavily compete with LH, who added 2 weekly flights TXL-TLV, on Saturday and Sunday.
Source - Globes: Air Berlin doubles weekly Tel Aviv flights
AB is deffinatly a carrier to watch.
Too bad LH can't deploy an A330 from TXL to Israel, 4:30hrs is a long time to be stuck in an A32x with no individual AVOD and IFE.
Best of luck to them both however.
Israel-Deutschland has really blown up in recent years it seems
Jun 22, 2012, 3:01 am
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interesting.
AB is deffinatly a carrier to watch.
Too bad LH can't deploy an A330 from TXL to Israel, 4:30hrs is a long time to be stuck in an A32x with no individual AVOD and IFE.
Best of luck to them both however.
Israel-Deutschland has really blown up in recent years it seems
AB is deffinatly a carrier to watch.
Too bad LH can't deploy an A330 from TXL to Israel, 4:30hrs is a long time to be stuck in an A32x with no individual AVOD and IFE.
Best of luck to them both however.
Israel-Deutschland has really blown up in recent years it seems
I guess they feel that a lot of pax on TLV-FRA/MUC are connecting pax, and they need to use the widebodies as an incentive, but TLV-TXL is probably more O&D traffic
Jun 22, 2012, 4:02 am
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Jun 22, 2012, 5:37 am
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LH to MUC is also changing to a narrow-body after the summer.
Jun 22, 2012, 11:47 am
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New routes / extra frequencies to and from TLV - all airlines
I don't think they're using the w/b's as an incentive, they're using them because the demand warrants them. The 5am departure is obviously timed for connections, thats true.
MUC, TXL are both more O&D markets I'd say.
MUC, TXL are both more O&D markets I'd say.
Jun 22, 2012, 11:57 am
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Munich has plenty of connecting passengers, I fly LHR-TLV often with LH, more often through MUC then FRA.
Jun 23, 2012, 3:15 pm
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Maybe not incentives, but perhaps the demand warrants them because there's a lot of connecting pax.
Jun 24, 2012, 10:34 pm
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Basically, TWA flew to Israel since the Mandate days and had a large, very senior workforce to handle a single 767-300 to JFK. When AMR acquired TWA out of bankruptcy (structured as an asset purchase) they promptly ceased flying and provided no notice to the passengers affected, many arrived at TLV to find an empty ticket counter, workers didn't find out any sooner. When AMR purchased TWA's assets they were truly on the brink of liquidation in January 2001. I was in St. Louis at the time, my Dad was flying TWA weekly for work and he too became very concerned about his flights AMR feared if the market conditions required them to cancel or suspend the service they'd be on the hook for the severance benefits. The flights ended promptly to prevent seizure of the aircraft. There has been speculation of the amounts outstanding, possible TLV service on AA, etc. Without the US merger I wouldn't count on it but I think they're missing a huge opportunity from Miami.
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/tra...n_airlines.htm
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13513...ict-court.html
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http://www.thestreet.com/story/13513...ict-court.html
AA didnt want to take on the debt that TWA accumualted at TLV so when they purchased TWA they did so with the exception of the TLV route.The Israeli courts said you can say what ever you want we see it as AA purchased TW and anything belongig to AA can be ceased to pay off the TW debts.Which is why AA never flew into TLV
What TW did was to call a MX on the 884 (JFK-TLV) that way the 885 sitting on the ground @ TLV would be able to take off. Once that plane left TLV , TW announced it was ceasing the TLV route hence forth, and owed alot of $$$ to its employees and vendors.They did it this way to prevent the plane sitting waiting to be the 885 from being ceased(smart move).
The unknown is what will the Israeli courts say if a AA plane lands @ TLV ( after a US takeover) I think it wont happen since the Courts will say it can be ceased to pay off the TW debts, unless Parker (CEO of US) strikes a deal of some sort with the Courts on paying it off.
I ended up flying back to TLV on DL who were accepting the TW tkts even an award tkt like mine was
Jun 25, 2012, 3:02 am
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I think in the long run it was a dumb move by AA - they could have negotiated a settlement with the employees - especially if they were buying the assets of TWA, not the shares, the employees would have had no claim. I'm sure they could have flown a number of profitable routes including JFK and MIA over the last several years.