Delta Continues to Adjust to Unprecedented Fuel Costs with Addition of Fuel Surcharge
Jun 27, 2008, 11:02 am
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That language is to discourage those who are ignorant of the basic principles of contract law from thinking that they have rights that can be asserted against Delta. Conversely, those of us who can claim Contracts Law as our single best course in law school don't bat an eye in asserting that such language will prove unenforceable in many instances (without giving opinion or advice as to whether it's enforceable here). 
pbarnette and cynicalflyer, do you recall this
http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/07/21/trmiles.t.php
too?
An airline trying to hide behind terms and conditions doesn't always work.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/07/21/trmiles.t.php
too?
An airline trying to hide behind terms and conditions doesn't always work.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:04 am
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:04 am
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The frequent flyer game is basically over. I would recommend just flying the most convienent and reasonably priced options from here on out. AA increased awards, bag fees. UA/US actual miles, charges for drinks, terrible clubs. DL who hasn't found a way to devalue skymiles that it doesn't like. Now only NW and CO have decent programs, and both of those are more or less lame ducks.
I have nearly half a million NW miles, my goal is to have 0 at the merger.
I have nearly half a million NW miles, my goal is to have 0 at the merger.
As long as DL/NW continue to show some restraint in what the do (and frankly, $25-50 more for an award ticket is pretty restrained given current conditions), they will have a running start when things recover. US & maybe UA will be history.
We were both down to almost zero miles, but we just can't get out of the habit of earning more.
We're flying 3 200K itins this year & they still pile up.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:05 am
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:05 am
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It involved an airline, a frequent flyer program, changes to a frequent flyer program, and an attempt to hide behind the terms and conditions. So how is it that the mentioned example is an "improper and unequal comparison"?
Jun 27, 2008, 11:07 am
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:08 am
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ROTFLMAO!
Thankfully, I invested smartly in my education so as not to be treated as a mindless, spineless peon by anybody or anything. Delta's bad business judgment -- some of which involved bad guesswork on fuel prices -- creates no crisis or need to alter my way of life with respect to travel.
Thankfully, I invested smartly in my education so as not to be treated as a mindless, spineless peon by anybody or anything. Delta's bad business judgment -- some of which involved bad guesswork on fuel prices -- creates no crisis or need to alter my way of life with respect to travel.
Blaming the airlines for not anticipating $150 oil is absurd and frankly the stupidest excuse I've ever heard.
Every airline is struggling on a daily basis to stay in business. The entire industry is in an absolute position of desperation and must take drastic steps to survive.
[rant]I'm sorry if all of you entitled whiners are sad that your frequent flier benefits are being impacted. Quite frankly, I'd rather see you pissed off so that I can continue getting a paycheck instead of pretending like its still 1999 and everything is fine so you can park your fat butt in a first class seat when traveling on a cheap ticket or redeem miles on a whim.[/rant off]
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:10 am
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Could be a tricky issue for both AXP and DAL companies, since even though it's an Amex ad, it's advertising a jointly-branded product. IANAL.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:13 am
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It has .... but to go into specifics here is likely to only help DL management and its apologists more than the ordinary consumer who participates in SkyMiles and decides to pursue the matter through the legal channels available.
If someone is counting on courts claiming that a frequent flyer mileage programs changes never constitute a breach of contract or violation of law, then those very same persons should not cry when people decide to sell their miles for money and don't get caught by DL by reciting terms and conditions that are not always enforceable.
Originally Posted by sxf24
I think you need to first argue that participation in the SkyMiles program constitutes a contract.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:13 am
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The circumstances, as well as terms and conditions, were different. Until someone successfully pursues legal action against DL on this, or any of the thousands of other issues legal action has previously been threatened on, I'm going to forgo further discussion on this particular topic.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:14 am
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:16 am
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Of course, if such information does not exist...
If someone is counting on courts claiming that a frequent flyer mileage programs changes never constitute a breach of contract or violation of law, then those very same persons should not cry when people decide to sell their miles for money and don't get caught by DL by reciting terms and conditions that are not always enforceable.