Delta Continues to Adjust to Unprecedented Fuel Costs with Addition of Fuel Surcharge
Jun 27, 2008, 11:44 am
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Yes.
A couple of quick examples:
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/awar...x.jsp#transfer
http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi...s/index.jsp#q3
And even where they have an *, they still don't say they can include any and all fees they want:
http://www.delta.com/about_delta/par...opps/index.jsp
Then there's the e-mails, the signs, on-hold messages, employee statements, connotation of "award", etc.
And then add that to all of their partners' advertisements (Amex, for example).
A couple of quick examples:
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/awar...x.jsp#transfer
http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi...s/index.jsp#q3
And even where they have an *, they still don't say they can include any and all fees they want:
http://www.delta.com/about_delta/par...opps/index.jsp
Then there's the e-mails, the signs, on-hold messages, employee statements, connotation of "award", etc.
And then add that to all of their partners' advertisements (Amex, for example).
Jun 27, 2008, 11:44 am
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In that case, I suggest better research. I suggest starting to become aware of the terms and conditions you referred to earlier ... the ones from AA's initial program in the mentioned article. 
I also suggest a little more awareness about the history of Alitalia's program.
I also suggest a little more awareness about the history of Alitalia's program.
Jun 27, 2008, 11:53 am
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Please be civil.
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:57 am
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by sxf24
AA's historical program is quite different from its current program. I also fail to see what AZ has to do with the legal threats about changes to a US domiciled loyalty program.
Originally Posted by sxf24
To my knowledge, no current frequent flier program has ever explicitly qualified the duration of redemption options or thresholds.
Whether or not my references add to an individual's knowledge or leads a person to investigate the matter to close knowledge gaps, who knows -- AA's program and AZ's program had "explicitly qualified the duration of redemption options or thresholds".
A little more familiarity with the history of frequent flyer programs and their terms and conditions -- including specifically AA's and AZ's for starters and even later -- shows that the claim about "ever" in your post is very much a false claim.
Jun 27, 2008, 12:01 pm
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Yes. The 'fuel surcharges' on paid tickets (or should I say 100% paid tickets, so as to differentiate them from the 'somewhat paid' tickets that award tickets have become) are included in advertised fares, as required by DOT regs.
Jun 27, 2008, 12:15 pm
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As marketed online or through other electronic displays, this is a more of a problematic arena.
Jun 27, 2008, 12:15 pm
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To add these new $25 and $50 fee for award tickets, does this indicate that a significant portion of their tickets being sold are award tickets? To start "taxing" them?
Jun 27, 2008, 12:19 pm
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What surprises me about the e-mail I just received announcing fuel surcharges on award tickets is its lack of clarity. I know what Jeff means, but when you read it literally, it sounds like its $25 on award tickets flying from any of the 50 states to Canada or $50 on any of the 50 states or Canada to an international destination. Here it is verbatim:
* $25 for Award Travel between the 50 states and Canada
* $50 for Award Travel between the 50 states/Canada and all international destinations
Anybody else reading this the same way I am?
* $25 for Award Travel between the 50 states and Canada
* $50 for Award Travel between the 50 states/Canada and all international destinations
Anybody else reading this the same way I am?
Jun 27, 2008, 12:20 pm
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I fly because I need to, and occasionally for vacations. I have never done a MR in my life, nor do I feel like I have missed out on something. And even with fees, I still feel like I'm getting something worthwhile out of concentrating my travel on a couple of airlines.
Jun 27, 2008, 12:22 pm
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Speaking of "taxing" award redemptions -- especially since fuel surcharges aren't taxes -- are NW and CO redemptions made on or after August 15th for DL flights subjected to these fuel surcharges too, or are their programs still good for avoiding DL fuel surcharges for award ticket redemptions after August 15th?
Jun 27, 2008, 12:22 pm
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Is this sur-charge for international flights $50 each way or $50 round trip? I have received no email from DL.
Jun 27, 2008, 12:24 pm
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..... so DL award travel is now going to be nothing more than discounted paid travel. Right now it will be 25,000 miles + $25 for a domestic ticket or 50,000 miles + $50 for a US-Europe return ticket. Over time it will become less and less of a discounted ticket and even more of an additional opportunity for DL to capture ever more revenue at time of award ticketing.
Any bets on how long it will be before it will be 25,000 miles+$50 or $100 for a domestic "free roundtrip award ticket" or 50,000 miles + $100 or $200 for a "free roundtrip award ticket" for US-Europe?
"Award travel" is quickly heading toward becoming little more than discounted paid travel ..... and eventually -- if this fuel surcharge nonsense goes unchallenged -- it will trend toward being less and less substantially discounted travel and will come closer and closer to approaching some regular paid fares for travel between the very same city pairs. (If you get unlucky enough, then "award travel" may even be more expensive than regular paid travel between the same city pairs.
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Any bets on how long it will be before it will be 25,000 miles+$50 or $100 for a domestic "free roundtrip award ticket" or 50,000 miles + $100 or $200 for a "free roundtrip award ticket" for US-Europe?
"Award travel" is quickly heading toward becoming little more than discounted paid travel ..... and eventually -- if this fuel surcharge nonsense goes unchallenged -- it will trend toward being less and less substantially discounted travel and will come closer and closer to approaching some regular paid fares for travel between the very same city pairs. (If you get unlucky enough, then "award travel" may even be more expensive than regular paid travel between the same city pairs.
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Jun 27, 2008, 12:25 pm
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Who really thinks they don't have a choice of what airline to fly, if the fees become too onerous? Or to drive or take Amtrak or Greyhound, for that matter?
Every one of these airlines is a business. None of them are charitable trusts set up for the enjoyment of FT members. As a result, their management teams do what they deem appropriate and necessary to deal with the current business environment. If we, as consumers, do not like what their product becomes as a result of those decisions, then we have the option of taking our business elsewhere.
Every one of these airlines is a business. None of them are charitable trusts set up for the enjoyment of FT members. As a result, their management teams do what they deem appropriate and necessary to deal with the current business environment. If we, as consumers, do not like what their product becomes as a result of those decisions, then we have the option of taking our business elsewhere.