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Old Nov 28, 2018, 12:40 pm
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Minimum connection time at AMS
Note: when determining the airline for MCT purposes, what counts is who markets the flight, not who operates it.

Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-KL: 50 minutes

Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-DL, DL-KL, or DL-DL: 25 minutes

Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, KL-KL or KL-DL: 90 minutes

Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, DL-KL or DL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-KL or DL-KL: 60 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-DL or DL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, DL-DL, DL-KL, or KL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, KL-KL: anywhere from 40 minutes to 2 hours--it depends on the flight numbers and the dates. I've posted the raw output below to help you figure out which MCT will apply.
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2040 - FLT 4141
KL-KL II .55 FLT 602 - FLT 597 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II SUP FLT 1230 - FLT 743 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 904 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1382 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1386 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1396 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1614 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3086 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 902 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1392 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1394 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 904 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1386 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1396 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1614 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3086 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3096 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3097 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 758 - ALL OPN -02DEC18
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 894 - ALL OPN -02DEC18
KL-KL II .55 FLT 741 - ALL OPN -28FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 749 - ALL OPN -28FEB19
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 884 - ALL OPN -29MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 602 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 622 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 692 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 724 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 734 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 792 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3096
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3823
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3948
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 210 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3097 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3822 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3949 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 4102 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 4991 - ALL
KL-KL II .55 FLT 758 - ALL 03DEC18-28FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 876 - ALL 01JAN19-03FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 878 - ALL 01JAN19-03FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 434 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 604 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 606 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 608 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 741 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 749 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 882 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 884 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.55 FLT 888 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 894 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 896 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 566 - ALL 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 602 - ALL 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3400 - 3420 ALL - LIN
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3400 - 3420 ALL - FCO
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3400 - 3420 - FLT 900 - 1999 LIN - ALL
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3400 - 3420 - FLT 900 - 1999 FCO - ALL
KL-KL II .50 FLT 400 - 1999 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II .40 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II .40 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3108 - 3109
KL-KL II .50 FLT 2000 - 2369 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2370 - 2529 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 2520 - 2699 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2700 - 4999 - FLT 6000 - 6199
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2823 - 2826 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.45 FLT 2960 - 2999 - FLT 300 - 899
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 3000 - 4999 - FLT 6000 - 6199
KL-KL II .40 FLT 3108 - 3109 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3150 - 3175 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 6000 - 6199 - FLT 2700 - 4999
KL-KL II .50 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 400 - 1999
KL-KL II .50 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2000 - 2369
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2370 - 2529
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2520 - 2699
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183 GRU - ALL
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183 YVR - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 400 - 1999 - ALL EQP ALL - TRN
ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 3096 - 3099 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 3100 - 3107 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 2758 - 2759 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.40 ALL - FLT 2890 - 2899 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 320 - 329 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2520 - 2699 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2758 - 2759 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2830 - 2837 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.40 FLT 2890 - 2899 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3076 - 3079 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3120 - 3122 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 320 - 329
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 2758 - 2759
KL-KL II 2.00 ALL - FLT 2890 - 2899
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3100 - 3107
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3152 - 3173
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3646 - 3649
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 320 - 329 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 2520 - 2699 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2758 - 2759 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2823 - 2826 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2830 - 2837 - ALL
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 2890 - 2899 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2960 - 2999 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3076 - 3079 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.15 FLT 3100 - 3107 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3120 - 3122 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3150 - 3175 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3178 - 3183 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.15 FLT 3646 - 3649 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 EQP ALL - TRN GROUP3 - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.30 EQP TRN - ALL
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by Grouchy
Oooh & oops, if it's a KL6xx flight then indeed the PDC can be skipped.
Since DL only operates morning and noon/1pm flights, it's safe to say this is KLM metal.

I am confused by one thing. When I pull up information on the flight it shows two different callsigns. One KLM621 and one KLM255. When I pull up flight information it shows KLM621 operating as KLM255. However when I go to flightaware it shows both as different flights, with planned departure/arrival times of a few minutes apart.

Any clue what that is about?
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It is KLM255 KL0621 (not KLM621)

Like other KL flights:
KLM47 KL0611 AMS-ORD
KLM213 KL0681 AMS-YVR
KLM53W KL1363 AMS-WAW
etcetera etcetera

One is the callsign the other is the flight number. Differing flight numbers and ATC call signs are to avoid having two flights with similar call signs in the area at the same time. Pretty common practise outside the US.
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Doesn't explain why both the flight number and call sign show different times for departure/arrival.
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Doesn't explain why both the flight number and call sign show different times for departure/arrival.
My guess is that one is the published gate time and the other is anticipated wheels-up time (or perhaps the brake release time from the gate?).
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Originally Posted by CMK10
I've got 55 minutes at AMS:

KL CPH-AMS 1440-1605
KL AMS-ATL 1650-2020

I haven't transited AMS in five years, I take it this is going to be a little tight, yes?
Originally Posted by Grouchy
Wouldn't worry too much, at around 16h00 you don't have to deal with the typical morning rush & that CPH-AMS flight is early most of the time.
Within 15-20 minutes you should have cleared passport control and Delta's PDC.
Grouchy : No Delta PDC, since it's KL metal to ATL. So, that makes it even easier. As a side note, I believe all Delta metal is "gone" by around 15:00'ish; and they close done the PDC areas.

+1, you should be fine CMK10. Flew AMS-ATL on a newly modified 777 a year+ ago... so, you should also be fine with regard to "new" WBC. (of course, I did not peak to make sure that flight segment is still the 777....)
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Originally Posted by bennos
I think that ATL flight is KLM operated, and if so doesn't PDC only apply to DL operated flights?

Also, there should be a Quick Connect line at passport control if there is a backup.
Originally Posted by Grouchy
Oooh & oops, if it's a KL6xx flight then indeed the PDC can be skipped.
Yep, it'll be on KLM.

Originally Posted by baccarat_king
Grouchy : No Delta PDC, since it's KL metal to ATL. So, that makes it even easier. As a side note, I believe all Delta metal is "gone" by around 15:00'ish; and they close done the PDC areas.

+1, you should be fine CMK10. Flew AMS-ATL on a newly modified 777 a year+ ago... so, you should also be fine with regard to "new" WBC. (of course, I did not peak to make sure that flight segment is still the 777....)
Thanks for the advice from everyone, sadly I'll be in Comfort Plus but I imagine that even that is better than DL internationally.
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Originally Posted by CMK10
Yep, it'll be on KLM.



Thanks for the advice from everyone, sadly I'll be in Comfort Plus but I imagine that even that is better than DL internationally.
Each his own, the KLM 777-200; 3-4-3 narrow seat config with a narrow aisle. The middle seat is terrible if the other two seats are taken by males also. No shoulder or armspace. If you have an aisle seat you getting hit by every single person and cart that walks by.
Add KLM last week's decision to remove one FA in economy in the near future and you have a hard time convincing me that it's better than Delta's Airbus A330-300 Delta Comfort+ 2-4-2 flight
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Originally Posted by CMK10
I've got 55 minutes at AMS:

KL CPH-AMS 1440-1605
KL AMS-ATL 1650-2020

I haven't transited AMS in five years, I take it this is going to be a little tight, yes?
Following up on this. I arrived five minutes early into D63. Easy walk to passport control and I was allowed into the Short Connections line. Departure gate to ATL was E9 and I arrived just as boarding was starting. My bag also made the connection too. Certainly a better experience than flying through CDG on the way over.
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I recently flew FCO-AMS-NCL.
outbound from FCO was delayed due to bad weather in FCO.
Touchdown in AMS was 16:03, next flight departure time was 16:25. crew said on plane that io would not make the connection, but i tried. We arrived at gate d47 i think, i ran and ran, went to passport shot connection line, then to my gate d43 i think, bit was then 16:23, and gate already closed.

(they put me on flight to MME instead.)
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Transit TXL-AMS-DEL
I will have a transit in February 2017 (Thursday) between a Schengen flight (from TXL) arriving at 11:35 (C gates) and an outbound non-Schengen flight (to Delhi) departing at 12:45 (KL871; F gates). Currently, KL 871 usually is scheduled to depart at 12:35, but the flight history I found online says that it is mostly delayed.

I wonder if that will be enough. I have read reviews on the internet that worry me. Some months ago, utter chaos seemed to be the usual state. If I understand correctly, I will not pass through security (coming from a "clean" airport). But I will have to go through passport control.

First of all, deplaning can be sped up by chosing a seat somewhere in the fron of the aircraft. But how about walking/running to passport control?

I heard that LH passengers (incl. eco) in MUC with a short connection (they take pride in enabling very swift transfers, which I can confirm from my experience in 2015) can avail of a special shuttle service that will bring them directly to the plane in a bus, incl. immigration proceedings. Do KLM/AMS offer that, too? Will passengers in a hurry be transported with electric buggies? Will airline staff pick them up and facilitate their transfer? I saw that concerning arriving passengers on a TXL-FRA flight with an ongoing itinerary in Europe (cannot recall the exact destination).

I know there is a payable "meet & assist" service and "KLM Cares" for the disabled. I am really worried I might get stuck in the passport controls with staff being reputed as uncooperative/ignorant.

Since the doors of intercontinental flights close 15 minutes prior to departure and TXL-AMS flights are delayed from time to time, the actual time slot is shorter than 1 h 10 mins.

As a last resort, I might show up at TXL for the 6 am TXL-AMS flight and ask to be rebooked (then with a 5 h layover in AMS), I got an ad-hoc rebooking of domestic LH flights and it worked perfectly. Do KLM allow that as well or do they charge?
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AMS is one of the easiest and quickest airports to transit. Even with passport control you should make the flight.

as for rebooking KLM isn't going to rebook you unless there's a delay. There especially not going to put you on OAL, unless they're at risk of needing to pay EU261 compensation.
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AMS passport control does track close-departure flights, and if your flight # is on an info screen in the queueing area, you can move to a dedicated line that should get you thru a bit quicker. Passport Control can look like a mess when you first arrive at the scrum, but it seems to move reasonably quickly.

In early Sept AMS had automated kiosks for most EU passports (and they eventually let chip-enabled US people to use it too). On the day in Oct that I made the same transit, the automated system was unavailable, so they had more manual lanes open.
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Originally Posted by RaflW
In early Sept AMS had automated kiosks for most EU passports (and they eventually let chip-enabled US people to use it too). On the day in Oct that I made the same transit, the automated system was unavailable, so they had more manual lanes open.
This is now standard operating procedure -- chip-enabled USA passports using the automated stations -- in addition to other countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and others that I can't remember off the top of my head.
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In the very near future AMS will introduce RTP-NL (Registered Traveller Program Nederland).
If you are a Dutch national or a citizen over 18 years from the United States, Canada, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore or South Korea you can use the automated border passage at every arrival filter @Schiphol.
This requires a one-time, free registration. The KMar will setup registration desks before and after passport control. It will take like 5-10 minutes and consist of a passport check and an automatic background check. The RTP-NL membership is linked to the validity of the holders passport.
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Mrs. ND76 and I flew 12/19/16 BUD-AMS on KLM, arriving at gate B21 around 0845, arrived at Crown Lounge 52 shortly after 0900. KLM no longer deplanes you on the upper level of the concourse (which is a sterile hallway leading to passport exit control), allowing you instead to walk in the main B concourse until you reach the Schengen zone barrier. We used the automated passport exit, where you insert your passport and get it scanned while the automated system takes your picture; then you are confronted by a man who stamps your passport while police watch him (and you).

The PDC agent who asks you the security questions at a stand outside the door to CR52 was unoccupied when we met with him, so that took less than 2 minutes for us.

It took close to 10 minutes to walk from CR52 to gate E18 to board the AMS-DTW flight. Because we met with the PDC agent at CR52, we bypassed the PDC at the left hand side of the entrance to the E concourse. There is no security checkpoint at the gate anymore.
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