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Old Nov 28, 2018, 12:40 pm
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Minimum connection time at AMS
Note: when determining the airline for MCT purposes, what counts is who markets the flight, not who operates it.

Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-KL: 50 minutes

Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-DL, DL-KL, or DL-DL: 25 minutes

Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, KL-KL or KL-DL: 90 minutes

Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, DL-KL or DL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-KL or DL-KL: 60 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Schengen Zone, KL-DL or DL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, DL-DL, DL-KL, or KL-DL: 50 minutes

Non-Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone, KL-KL: anywhere from 40 minutes to 2 hours--it depends on the flight numbers and the dates. I've posted the raw output below to help you figure out which MCT will apply.
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2040 - FLT 4141
KL-KL II .55 FLT 602 - FLT 597 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II SUP FLT 1230 - FLT 743 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 904 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1382 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1386 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1396 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1614 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3086 - FLT 900 - 1999 OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 902 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1392 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1394 - FLT 900 - 1999 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 904 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1386 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1396 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 1614 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3086 - FLT 900 - 1999 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3096 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3097 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 758 - ALL OPN -02DEC18
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 894 - ALL OPN -02DEC18
KL-KL II .55 FLT 741 - ALL OPN -28FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 749 - ALL OPN -28FEB19
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 884 - ALL OPN -29MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 602 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 622 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 692 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 724 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 734 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 792 - ALL OPN -30MAR19
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3096
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3823
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3948
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 210 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3097 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3822 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3949 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 4102 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 4991 - ALL
KL-KL II .55 FLT 758 - ALL 03DEC18-28FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 876 - ALL 01JAN19-03FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 878 - ALL 01JAN19-03FEB19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 434 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 604 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 606 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 608 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 741 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .55 FLT 749 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 882 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 884 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.55 FLT 888 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 894 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 896 - ALL 30MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 566 - ALL 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 602 - ALL 31MAR19-26OCT19
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3400 - 3420 ALL - LIN
KL-KL II .50 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3400 - 3420 ALL - FCO
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3400 - 3420 - FLT 900 - 1999 LIN - ALL
KL-KL II .50 FLT 3400 - 3420 - FLT 900 - 1999 FCO - ALL
KL-KL II .50 FLT 400 - 1999 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II .40 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II .40 FLT 900 - 1999 - FLT 3108 - 3109
KL-KL II .50 FLT 2000 - 2369 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2370 - 2529 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 2520 - 2699 - FLT 6000 - 9999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2700 - 4999 - FLT 6000 - 6199
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2823 - 2826 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.45 FLT 2960 - 2999 - FLT 300 - 899
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 3000 - 4999 - FLT 6000 - 6199
KL-KL II .40 FLT 3108 - 3109 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3150 - 3175 - FLT 900 - 1999
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 6000 - 6199 - FLT 2700 - 4999
KL-KL II .50 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 400 - 1999
KL-KL II .50 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2000 - 2369
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2370 - 2529
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 6000 - 9999 - FLT 2520 - 2699
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183 GRU - ALL
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183 YVR - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 400 - 1999 - ALL EQP ALL - TRN
ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 3096 - 3099 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 ALL - FLT 3100 - 3107 EQP TRN - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 2758 - 2759 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.40 ALL - FLT 2890 - 2899 GROUP3 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 320 - 329 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2520 - 2699 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2758 - 2759 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 2830 - 2837 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.40 FLT 2890 - 2899 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3076 - 3079 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3120 - 3122 - ALL ALL - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 320 - 329
KL-KL II 1.05 ALL - FLT 2520 - 2699
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 2758 - 2759
KL-KL II 2.00 ALL - FLT 2890 - 2899
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3100 - 3107
KL-KL II 1.00 ALL - FLT 3152 - 3173
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3178 - 3183
KL-KL II 1.10 ALL - FLT 3646 - 3649
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 320 - 329 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.05 FLT 2520 - 2699 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2758 - 2759 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2823 - 2826 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 2830 - 2837 - ALL
KL-KL II 2.00 FLT 2890 - 2899 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.30 FLT 2960 - 2999 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3076 - 3079 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.15 FLT 3100 - 3107 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3120 - 3122 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 FLT 3150 - 3175 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.10 FLT 3178 - 3183 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.15 FLT 3646 - 3649 - ALL
KL-KL II 1.00 EQP ALL - TRN GROUP3 - GROUP3
KL-KL II 1.30 EQP TRN - ALL
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Old Jun 9, 2023, 11:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
KL chat says “it is not possible” to check bags through since AMS-FRA is operated by German Airways GMBH

is this feasible if we limit ourselves to carry-on?

not a huge deal … we have a hotel that night at FRA on points and a 1400 departure the next day; both morning AMS-FRA flights have award space available
No. You would need
  1. Deplane and make it to immigration.
  2. Clear immigration at AMS
  3. Collect bags
  4. Checkin before checkin cutoff with German Airways
  5. Clear security, especially during summer, this can take hours. (OTOH Transit security is quick and efficient but you won't be using it as you'll be entering the country)
  6. Make it to gate in time to board.
This really isn't likely even if exactly on time.

Now without bags, it'll be possible IF German Airways let's you checkin at the gate. In this case you'll
  1. Deplane and make way to transit security
  2. Clear security and make way to transit immigration. (You're entering the Schengen area, so must clear immigration at AMS)
  3. Make it to gate in time to checkin
It'll be tight, but is doable, as long as on time and ZQ allows checkin at gate. (They don't do OLCI)


If you can get the flight on KLM they could check bags through as long as connection is under 24 hours at AMS.
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it’s a DL award … KL flight number, with a notation that it’s operated by German Airways

the “Seat Selection” link on the app says “Oh no! We’re sorry but seat map for this flight is not available. Contact German Airways GmbH …”

the fact that KL wouldn’t sell BKK-AMS-FRA on these flights should have been a clue (but along the same lines, I’m a bit surprised that the 13-hr overnight connection didn’t appear)
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Originally Posted by jrl767
it’s a DL award … KL flight number, with a notation that it’s operated by German Airways

the “Seat Selection” link on the app says “Oh no! We’re sorry but seat map for this flight is not available. Contact German Airways GmbH …”

the fact that KL wouldn’t sell BKK-AMS-FRA on these flights should have been a clue (but along the same lines, I’m a bit surprised that the 13-hr overnight connection didn’t appear)
KLM will be able to check the bags through in this case. Here's what is causing confusion, there's two types of codeshares.
  1. Codeshare as known by most. Airline A sells a seat on flight of airline B. The flight is wholly operated by and for airline B. Ie DL9645 is really KL668. DL is simply selling you a seat on OAL flight. You checkin with KLM, your bag tag had the KL668 flight number on it, etc..
  2. Codeshares where airline B is operating on behalf of airline A. Ie DL3833 is operated on behalf of DL by Skywest. Skywest is not operating this flight for itself, there is no tickets sold by Skywest for this flight. It's why they can't also have OAL sell tickets on the flight. This is also called a wet lease agreement. Think back a year when BA was short on planes and had to ask QR/AY to fly for them, these weren't QR/AY flights despite the crew and plane being QR/AY. There was no QR/AY flight number.
Your flight is the 2nd type. While ZQ crew and plane will fly the route, it will be in essence a KLM flight. You will checkin with KLM, KLM will handle your bags, your bag tag will have a KL flight number printed on it. It why despite being a codeshare flight number, there's award seats available on it. This same thing happened years back with AF and Cityjet. Back then really caused confusion as some flights were the 1st type and some the 2nd. Thus you could book a DL ticket on some, but not all AF CDG-DUB flights, despite Cityjet flying all of them, as some were type 1 and some were type 2.


Most agents, like passengers are only aware of the 1st type. If was 1st, the KLM agents would be correct. KLM has no interline agreements for bags, etickets, or even paper tickets with ZQ.
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so it’s a tossup as to whether KL agents at BKK will actually be able to check a bag thru to FRA on the KL flight that ZQ operates obo KL

I’m beyond 24 hrs from purchase, so probably better off to change the award flight to the next morning, get a hotel near AMS, and cancel the hotel at FRA
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As FlyerCO pointed out these are actually KLM flights operated by German Airways as wetlease for KLM. KLM has about 35-50 % of their Embraer fleet grounded because of the known engine problems and therefore started to wetlease certain EU shorthaul flights ( NUE, FRA; DUS ).
You should be able to check your luggage through with KLM at check in.
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Originally Posted by jrl767
so it’s a tossup as to whether KL agents at BKK will actually be able to check a bag thru to FRA on the KL flight that ZQ operates obo KL

I’m beyond 24 hrs from purchase, so probably better off to change the award flight to the next morning, get a hotel near AMS, and cancel the hotel at FRA
Should be no issue to check bags. Agents at airport will simply enter KLM flight number and KLM PNR. Don't even mention ZQ.
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Looking to fly JFK->AMS->ARN on KLM. JFK flight lands AMS at 06:50. Can either have a 1:30 or 3:50 connection. Will be travelling with my upper 70yo in-laws - one will be travelling with a gate-checked wheelchair. He can walk - slowly, and not terribly far. While 1:30 ordinarily is enough at AMS, I think the possibility of a delay ex JFK, coupled with a wait for the chair to be unloaded might make this uncomfortably tight? With the long connection, I suppose we could use the nap pods in lounge 52 for a while.
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Looking to fly JFK->AMS->ARN on KLM. JFK flight lands AMS at 06:50. Can either have a 1:30 or 3:50 connection. Will be travelling with my upper 70yo in-laws - one will be travelling with a gate-checked wheelchair. He can walk - slowly, and not terribly far. While 1:30 ordinarily is enough at AMS, I think the possibility of a delay ex JFK, coupled with a wait for the chair to be unloaded might make this uncomfortably tight? With the long connection, I suppose we could use the nap pods in lounge 52 for a while.
My vote would be for the 3:50, especially with elderly travelers and any sort of a delay at JFK.
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