Aug 9, 2016, 11:00 pm
Last edit by: LoganFlyer
Delta's Operational move from T5 to T2/3 at LAX:
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
In T2, there is a small Delta One seating area with refreshments. An agent will escort you from the check in/lounge area through a back pathway up stairs to TSA precheck. Its a shorter walk to check-in at SkyPriority and easier if you have a carry on and don't want to drag it up a flight of stairs. 11/3/17)
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
Delta will temporarily offer dedicated check-in space in Terminal 2 (first door closest to T1) while a long-term Delta One experience is finalized.
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread
Dec 8, 2016, 6:19 pm
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I think you're spot on to have low expectations. Delta is not known for investing in world class over the top facilities. They typically lean more towards the utilitarian, extremely pragmatic approach. Just look at the much ballyhooed JFK T4; certainly much better than the previous T2/3 operation, but far from a great terminal.
On the positive side DL will eventually have a connector to and access to gates in TBIT. And while that looks good on an airport map, the north end of TBIT is a pit.
My sense is that when completed the DL LAX operation will be similar to LGA. Lipstick on a pig.
I prefer DL D1 on Tcon. However I am not willing to put up with YEARS of reconstruction, mess and crowds while DL constructs "LAX of the Future." Unless DL comes up with a really elegant solution to retain premium passengers, I'll shift my business elsewhere until I see the final product.
On the positive side DL will eventually have a connector to and access to gates in TBIT. And while that looks good on an airport map, the north end of TBIT is a pit.
My sense is that when completed the DL LAX operation will be similar to LGA. Lipstick on a pig.
I prefer DL D1 on Tcon. However I am not willing to put up with YEARS of reconstruction, mess and crowds while DL constructs "LAX of the Future." Unless DL comes up with a really elegant solution to retain premium passengers, I'll shift my business elsewhere until I see the final product.
Dec 8, 2016, 8:20 pm
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I'm just not getting the math yet -- how will Delta net additional gates in T2/3 vs T5 given sharing the space with Aeromexico, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Aeroflot and WestJet?
Delta is spending a fortune to upgrade T2/3 to make them operate as one terminal from a passenger and operational perspective. It seems the end result will be about what DL currently has in T5 with the addition of co-location with partner airlines. The end result, after years of construction and billions of dollars, appears to be a substandard facility in today's terms and much less in terms of 2021+.
I'm thinking this project will be nothing more than JFK T2 West.
Perhaps I'll change my PoV when more detailed plans and commitments are released.
Delta is spending a fortune to upgrade T2/3 to make them operate as one terminal from a passenger and operational perspective. It seems the end result will be about what DL currently has in T5 with the addition of co-location with partner airlines. The end result, after years of construction and billions of dollars, appears to be a substandard facility in today's terms and much less in terms of 2021+.
I'm thinking this project will be nothing more than JFK T2 West.
Perhaps I'll change my PoV when more detailed plans and commitments are released.
http://www.lawa.org/ourLAX/CurrentPr....aspx?id=13905 is the LAWA vision of T2/3.
The DL lease says that they may have up to 27 gates in T2/T3 and 4 common use in TBIT, unless they hit some usage numbers then some gates will change to preferred use.
http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...08-02-2016.pdf <- T2/T3 Lease
How many gates will VA, VS, and SU actually require? AM and WS may take up a couple at any given time.
I won't comment on the luxuriousness of what T2/3 will look like, as they haven't been released. LGB may be my airport for a bit.
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Dec 8, 2016, 8:42 pm
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I prefer DL D1 on Tcon. However I am not willing to put up with YEARS of reconstruction, mess and crowds while DL constructs "LAX of the Future." Unless DL comes up with a really elegant solution to retain premium passengers, I'll shift my business elsewhere until I see the final product.
The lights in the gate area dim. Soft spotlights illuminate the queue. The SkyPriority rug lights up! Ladies and gentlemen please applaud as we welcome our Diamonds to board.
Dec 8, 2016, 9:55 pm
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Currently, T5 is 13 gates, and DL has preferred use of 3 gates in T6. T3 has 13 gates, and T2 has 10. In addition, T2 can be re-gauged to add up to 5 additional gates.
The DL lease says that they may have up to 27 gates in T2/T3 and 4 common use in TBIT, unless they hit some usage numbers then some gates will change to preferred use.
The DL lease says that they may have up to 27 gates in T2/T3 and 4 common use in TBIT, unless they hit some usage numbers then some gates will change to preferred use.
Dec 8, 2016, 10:01 pm
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With all the choices at LAX I think FitTraveler has a point. Delta will have to find a way to take of premium passengers. Regardless of Delta's grand vision and good intent, Delta will have to remain competitive during the move and reconstruction.
Dec 13, 2016, 1:48 am
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Just found out today that the current DL T5 SC will become an Admirals Club once DL vacates T5. The AA AC/FLAGSHIP lounge in T4 is supposed to become entirely Flagship with change allowing J passengers to access it.
Dec 13, 2016, 5:13 am
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What's your source for the T4 lounge becoming entirely Flagship? I haven't seen that in the AA forum.
Dec 13, 2016, 5:37 am
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The T5 SC is becoming an AC. The T4 AC will remain a split AC/FL, with an expanded FL currently under construction.
Dec 13, 2016, 5:38 am
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It's an AA lounge program manager from head office. Long time family friend. I happened to see them in the SC and quietly asked why was there. He said they had to do something with the increase with J. At least for right now he said the plane was T4 being all flagship with all the renovations currently happening. T5 would be the AC, especially since it can be accessed from elevator in the T4/5 underground tunnel.
Dec 13, 2016, 6:00 am
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It's an AA lounge program manager from head office. Long time family friend. I happened to see them in the SC and quietly asked why was there. He said they had to do something with the increase with J. At least for right now he said the plane was T4 being all flagship with all the renovations currently happening. T5 would be the AC, especially since it can be accessed from elevator in the T4/5 underground tunnel.
Dec 13, 2016, 7:17 am
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Ok. The bit about AA opening an Admirals Club in T5 is already public; AA themselves have said so on Twitter, and folks in the AA forum have been talking about it for a while. It's not terribly surprising; it's the obvious thing to do with the DL space, though it's slightly surprising to me that AA is doing it with only four gates in T5 in the short term, but I see why it's necessary, especially long term if AA gets the rest of T5. I'm more skeptical of the suggestion that there will be no AC at all in T4, particularly with MAH4546's response.
Dec 13, 2016, 7:55 am
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None of these airlines have a hub at LAX like DL does so they are not major operations. VA has, I think, just 2 or 3 daily flights, for example. I would not expect these airlines to each have exclusive use over gates, and many of them will have late-night departures so the gates will be available for daytime use by DL, probably for a beefed up domestic operation.
Dec 13, 2016, 9:00 am
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None of these airlines have a hub at LAX like DL does so they are not major operations. VA has, I think, just 2 or 3 daily flights, for example. I would not expect these airlines to each have exclusive use over gates, and many of them will have late-night departures so the gates will be available for daytime use by DL, probably for a beefed up domestic operation.
Dec 13, 2016, 9:24 am
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^ I think more like after the renovations, the AC club space itself will become smaller as they are expanding the dining/F lounge space (will no longer be enough space to support current AC traffic levels) and it is necessary to open a second AC in T5 relatively quick after moving to T5 to minimize overcrowding in the T4 AC. They are definitely not getting rid of AC completely in T4 and AA has been very open about the ongoing renovation projects. IMO, AA would have announced this from the beginning if the intention was to make the T4 lounge entirely F.