Emotional Support Animals, Service Dogs and Comfort Pets: The Definitive Thread
#406
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(e.g.) using a fake handicap placard because
- lots near the building entrance are all handicap lots
- handicap lots are usually available and no searching is required
- regular and available lots are so far away
(e.g.) Faking child's age to get discounted all-you-can-eat buffet because
- adult price is so expensive
- while not a child, eats little and like a child
With ESA, this seems entirely different. Most knows the rules. In fact, the scam can only be committed with clear knowledge of the rules so intent to commit fraud is clear. And the vocal supporters sure make the perpetrators feel even more righteous of their fraud.
That said, I am happy to read that some law makers are considering rewording the existing law so that the people this was supposed to protect remains protected while reigning in the abusers.
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As non-American originally, I do not understand service pets, as well as "disabilities" and "diseases" like adhd, anxiety, etc... Cannot convince me a dog or cat will help you out that much. People are abusing the system. Because of pictures like this I have no problem bringing a lap infant in first/business with an award ticket. It's appalling how many people defend "emotional support" pets, but can't tolerate a human traveling. USA is weird sometimes.
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I love dogs and wouldn't mind flying with them in general, but if a dog shat on my laptop bag I might have to be physically restrained from pulling a Jack Black in Anchorman.
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Has anybody thought about how a pet of that size cold affect the humans in the event of an emergency?
The allergy issue appears to be ignored by Delta. If you're allergic, it's your problem. You move or rebook.
There's a ton of posts and comments about this on FB.
The ESA fraud has got to end. Hopefully before one of these pets causes a real problem.
The allergy issue appears to be ignored by Delta. If you're allergic, it's your problem. You move or rebook.
There's a ton of posts and comments about this on FB.
The ESA fraud has got to end. Hopefully before one of these pets causes a real problem.
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Has anybody thought about how a pet of that size cold affect the humans in the event of an emergency?
The allergy issue appears to be ignored by Delta. If you're allergic, it's your problem. You move or rebook.
There's a ton of posts and comments about this on FB.
The ESA fraud has got to end. Hopefully before one of these pets causes a real problem.
The allergy issue appears to be ignored by Delta. If you're allergic, it's your problem. You move or rebook.
There's a ton of posts and comments about this on FB.
The ESA fraud has got to end. Hopefully before one of these pets causes a real problem.
People that have allergies need to find a cure, move, or die off. I prefer the dying off but science is keeping them alive.
FB has lots of comments on everything.
I'll give you point 4.
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I know plenty of people who fly with their pets as an ESA. They use the ESA when it is convenient to bring the pet along (like to visit extended family) but not if it is an international trip or somewhere the pet can't come. To be clear, these are pets. But since practically everyone has some sort of emotional need he/she could claim (anxiety, stress, a history of ..., even if in the distant past) or just gets how to play the system, the pet is registered as an ESA for the flight on which it is convenient to "need" the pet.
Maybe it is the social circles I see, but I don't know anyone who has a real ESA, only people who have ESA-of-convenience.
Maybe it is the social circles I see, but I don't know anyone who has a real ESA, only people who have ESA-of-convenience.
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maybe not "all"; I'd guess there's a significantly higher probability that at least one casualty would be someone who's more concerned about their animal's survival than following the crew's instructions to evacuate in the emergency situation
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Inebriated people would also be a potential negative factor during an emergency so perhaps alcohol shouldn't be served.
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Is the size of the animal crate posted anywhere?
At the gate could there be a animal crate test frame like there is for carry-on luggage?
I was "treated" to an adjacent lap-dog on my last flight since its crate wouldn't fit under the seat. A sniffing, lapping, bouncy, squirmy, hair and dander-flying lap-dog. It almost never sat. Stood and circled. It definitely didn't make me feel positive toward Delta, the dog owner, or the dog.
At the gate could there be a animal crate test frame like there is for carry-on luggage?
I was "treated" to an adjacent lap-dog on my last flight since its crate wouldn't fit under the seat. A sniffing, lapping, bouncy, squirmy, hair and dander-flying lap-dog. It almost never sat. Stood and circled. It definitely didn't make me feel positive toward Delta, the dog owner, or the dog.
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Is the size of the animal crate posted anywhere?
At the gate could there be a animal crate test frame like there is for carry-on luggage?
I was "treated" to an adjacent lap-dog on my last flight since its crate wouldn't fit under the seat. A sniffing, lapping, bouncy, squirmy, hair and dander-flying lap-dog. It almost never sat. Stood and circled. It definitely didn't make me feel positive toward Delta, the dog owner, or the dog.
At the gate could there be a animal crate test frame like there is for carry-on luggage?
I was "treated" to an adjacent lap-dog on my last flight since its crate wouldn't fit under the seat. A sniffing, lapping, bouncy, squirmy, hair and dander-flying lap-dog. It almost never sat. Stood and circled. It definitely didn't make me feel positive toward Delta, the dog owner, or the dog.
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Wait? What?! We make all kinds of accommodations for passengers with "peanut allergies", but passengers with allergies to animal dander are just told to get off the plane? I find it pretty amazing that someone who conceivably could have paid thousands of dollars (in the case of transcontinental delta one) would be told to get off the plane so some stupid "emotional support" creature could fly for free.
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Wait? What?! We make all kinds of accommodations for passengers with "peanut allergies", but passengers with allergies to animal dander are just told to get off the plane? I find it pretty amazing that someone who conceivably could have paid thousands of dollars (in the case of transcontinental delta one) would be told to get off the plane so some stupid "emotional support" creature could fly for free.
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Is it "absolute need" or is it a desire?
Is there an "absolute need" for anyone to travel anywhere for vacation?
Is there an "absolute need" to bring one's child on a vacation?
Is there an "absolute need" to drink alcohol on a plane?
Is there an "absolute need" for obese people to travel and ruin the experience for everyone else?
Is there an "absolute need" for anyone to travel anywhere for vacation?
Is there an "absolute need" to bring one's child on a vacation?
Is there an "absolute need" to drink alcohol on a plane?
Is there an "absolute need" for obese people to travel and ruin the experience for everyone else?