Skymiles Change Rumor?
Apr 30, 2012, 7:13 am
#2176
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Apr 30, 2012, 7:21 am
#2177
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i end up changing airlines every few years as part of #1 and #3, but picking one and sticking with it is how i do #2....
Apr 30, 2012, 9:06 am
#2178
Join Date: Dec 2010
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I would say the best thing to do at this point in time is keeping your mileage bank as close to zero as possible.
Burn as many miles as possible as a hedge. If you are PM or DM, you can book ticket and cancel them at a later date too without a fee.
IMHO, UA is the first to devalue their FFP and thus it is a matter of time before DL and AA devalues theirs too. I really wish DL would announce things sooner. But until then, I will not be booking a ticket on a Delta flight until this rumor thing clears up.
+1
Burn as many miles as possible as a hedge. If you are PM or DM, you can book ticket and cancel them at a later date too without a fee.
IMHO, UA is the first to devalue their FFP and thus it is a matter of time before DL and AA devalues theirs too. I really wish DL would announce things sooner. But until then, I will not be booking a ticket on a Delta flight until this rumor thing clears up.
+1
Apr 30, 2012, 9:56 am
#2179
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It will be dynamic. E.g. $1500 = 150K miles, $1832.29 = 183,229 miles, and so on.
*most likely so, as that is what FBATR means - <u>fare based</u>
Will it be 1cpm? Most likely...but we'll have to wait and see. It could be worse. Could be 1cpm for DM, but just 0.2cpm for no status, or something crazy like that -- which is how it is (about) in SM Marketplace.
Apr 30, 2012, 10:11 am
#2180
Join Date: Dec 2010
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No, not that low. Not unless you can find the flight for $1000.00 even exactly anyway.
It will be dynamic. E.g. $1500 = 150K miles, $1832.29 = 183,229 miles, and so on.
*most likely so, as that is what FBATR means - <u>fare based</u>
Will it be 1cpm? Most likely...but we'll have to wait and see. It could be worse. Could be 1cpm for DM, but just 0.2cpm for no status, or something crazy like that -- which is how it is (about) in SM Marketplace.
It will be dynamic. E.g. $1500 = 150K miles, $1832.29 = 183,229 miles, and so on.
*most likely so, as that is what FBATR means - <u>fare based</u>
Will it be 1cpm? Most likely...but we'll have to wait and see. It could be worse. Could be 1cpm for DM, but just 0.2cpm for no status, or something crazy like that -- which is how it is (about) in SM Marketplace.
Apr 30, 2012, 11:02 am
#2181
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You never know. Virgin America has a garbage frequent flyer program, and people do fly them. I am certainly not one of them, though.
May 2, 2012, 8:34 am
#2182
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The first year of the DM program, I know the extra 25% was an incentive that encouraged to fly DL (instead of CO where I was also Plat) and to move to the new DM status (I needed the miles for my son's back and forth trips to college).
May 2, 2012, 3:24 pm
#2183
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: ATL/LAX
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It's May, where are all the changes this rumor was about???
I was hoping for the rev based SM to have kicked in by now
I was hoping for the rev based SM to have kicked in by now
May 2, 2012, 3:47 pm
#2184
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May 2, 2012, 3:47 pm
#2185
Join Date: May 2012
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I wish we could end all of this nonsense and just move to a more competitive program between travellers. Establish a guideline of either revenue, miles, or both and assign Diamond to the top X number of people. Publish what it took to make Diamond for the year 2xxx on Jan 1 and then work your way down to other levels. Maybe keep the Diamond level at a fixed number of people and let gold and platinum float between a range of percentages based off some deviation from the minimum Diamond qualification.
I feel like it'd incentivize people to keep flying Delta as you'd be compared to a floating target which would change every year and your status would be determined by your performance against your fellow travellers. In addition, it would keep the numbers of elites, or top tier elites, at a minimum. As DL drives people away for whatever reason your chances of moving up a level/maintaining a level tangibly improve. It would also drastically cut down on soft landings but even that could be allowed if you buid in tolerance to the system.
Edit: Better yet, just assign everyone a number. #23 is upgraded before #88000 for every flight in 2012 and your ranking is re-evaluated at the end of the year/quarter/whatever. No more levels, those just create expectations and unrest when something doesn't happen "the way it should".
I feel like it'd incentivize people to keep flying Delta as you'd be compared to a floating target which would change every year and your status would be determined by your performance against your fellow travellers. In addition, it would keep the numbers of elites, or top tier elites, at a minimum. As DL drives people away for whatever reason your chances of moving up a level/maintaining a level tangibly improve. It would also drastically cut down on soft landings but even that could be allowed if you buid in tolerance to the system.
Edit: Better yet, just assign everyone a number. #23 is upgraded before #88000 for every flight in 2012 and your ranking is re-evaluated at the end of the year/quarter/whatever. No more levels, those just create expectations and unrest when something doesn't happen "the way it should".
Last edited by mhop1027; May 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm
May 2, 2012, 4:04 pm
#2186
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. . . . .assign Diamond to the top X number of people. Publish what it took to make Diamond for the year 2xxx on Jan 1 and then work your way down to other levels. Maybe keep the Diamond level at a fixed number of people and let gold and platinum float between a range of percentages based off some deviation from the minimum Diamond qualification.
Most of us here are used to shenanigans.
May 2, 2012, 4:36 pm
#2187
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However, I wouldn't object to some reasonable additional requirements for status levels along the lines of the leaked criteria that UA was supposedly going to implement.
May 2, 2012, 5:14 pm
#2188
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OMG - I go to England for a few days and this thread is still going. (No -I did not get any OpUps - just two normal UGs for the IND-ATL-IND legs) Can anyone summarize in a sentence or two sentences maximum, what the latest is?
May 2, 2012, 5:40 pm
#2189
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They looked outside and the sky is falling
May 2, 2012, 6:27 pm
#2190
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"It's preposterous to believe that DL is going to do something like this... there is absolutely no evidence that the rumors are true... but I am sure looking forward to when it happens."