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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
It will be recorded in a shorthand manner; the intent is to expedite; no one is going to be writing any narratives on the back of boarding passes.
I don't understand why you are annotating at all. It's either of legal size and contents or not. Who cares what it is after is passes security? I don't understand this at all, and the threads I've read don't really explain it.

So if I come through with 4 oz of cough syrup, that's legal, but should be outside of my ziplock bag of toothpaste, hairgel and bbq sauce, and needs to be scribbled on my boarding pass. Why?
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:03 pm
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:07 pm
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
I don't know if generic plastic bottles you mentioned come in 3 oz sizes. What a TSO would most likely do is compare the unmarked container with a container of a known size. But 3 oz is the limit.
Three ounce bottles can vary. I have some one-ounce hair gel bottles that are much bigger than .9 oz bottles of shampoo that I have a ton of from my hotel stays. That's my point - who decides if a bottle is too big or not? If it's cylindrical it will look smaller than a flatter bottle.

But, in general, no problem using unmarked bottles? My plan is to use liquid toothpaste, hair gel, mouthwash, etc and just fill up the travel bottles from larger bottles at home.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:18 pm
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Thanks, Bart for help me out there about news from TSA this morning. I am really appreciate for American people are very patience due to new security measures at the airports. They are adjustment from personal items are allowed again for beyond the checkpoint. I can bring toothpaste and some several others personal items with me. I won't get deal out there when TSA is adjusted the liquids bans 8/10. So I will have tell my mom about it when I saw on the TSA website about personal items can go through the checkpoint. I can have take eye drop with me to get on the plane this Friday. I am really patience for while due to TSA/DHS is working closely with the security at the airport. I don't get anything problems about liquids does not permitted beyond checkpoint. I would imagine to fly out this Friday to TPA. Thank you all for patience to rethink from TSA.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:22 pm
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:33 pm
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To which specific TSA person, and at what point in the screening process, are "exception" items supposed to be declared?
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
What has to be declared are liquid, gel and/or aerosol items that are one of the following:
I find it interesting that TSA is asking us to declare these things like we would firearms.

And we all know that formula and medicine are in the same dangerous class as guns.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:46 pm
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Thx, Bart. Fortunately, all of my "contraband" fit into the one quart ziplock I purchased at the supermarket today. Just to confirm, my previously allowed solid deodorant, chapstick, eye drops, etc can stay where they were in my luggage or purse and only the lip gloss, lotion, daily wear lenses, etc get presented in the ziplock?
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
There is supposed to be a designated "declarations officer" before you enter the checkpoint. (Yeah, go ahead and laugh; we chuckled, too, at the mention of "declarations officer.") I'm anticipating that this will be the role of the TSA ticket reader once we assume that role from the current contractors.
Hopefully we're not going to the absence of a passenger's declaration meaning increased odds of a fine. I don't want to hear "Oh, that ____ there is 'artfully concealed', here's your ticket with $___ fine for XYZ violation."

Not looking forward to the TSA being ticket readers or ID checkers either.

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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:12 am
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So, Bart (and thanks for sharing your information), the size of the container, not the quantity of the liquid is the determining factor?

Just wondering, because I use refillable bottles for shampoo and such that are larger than 3 oz. I'd be happy to fill them with no more than 3 oz., but it sounds as if that's not OK and I'll have to turn over some money to the Acme Small-Container Cartel. Can you confirm?

Second question: I usually do not check a bag, even for a two-week international lesiure trip. Obviously, I'll never make it through the trip with just 3 oz. of shampoo. Is there a rule against tossing two or three 3 oz. bottles of the stuff into the quart-sized bag so I have enough?
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by Business as usual
So, Bart (and thanks for sharing your information), the size of the container, not the quantity of the liquid is the determining factor?

Just wondering, because I use refillable bottles for shampoo and such that are larger than 3 oz. I'd be happy to fill them with no more than 3 oz., but it sounds as if that's not OK and I'll have to turn over some money to the Acme Small-Container Cartel. Can you confirm?
To minimize the odds of a confrontation (or goods seizure) with the TSA, here's what I'm doing:

The size of the liquid-/gel-containing containers must be less than 3 oz. each. And all the liquid/gel containing containers put together must fit in the plastic bag "comfortably".

I don't trust that some TSAer won't make a stink about a mostly empty liquid/gel-containing container that is labeled as being 5 ozs.

Originally Posted by Business as usual
Second question: I usually do not check a bag, even for a two-week international lesiure trip. Obviously, I'll never make it through the trip with just 3 oz. of shampoo. Is there a rule against tossing two or three 3 oz. bottles of the stuff into the quart-sized bag so I have enough?
Whatever fits into a quart-sized bag should be fine as long as each of the individual liquid/gel-containing containers inside the bag do not individually appear to exceed 3 oz. That is, a one liter bottle with a mere 3 oz of liquids/gels inside is probably best left behind.

So far, I'm presuming empty containers are allowed, especially since they've not been seized on any of my domestic US flights. I'm also presuming that the mostly liquid-holding containers that are the human body are still allowed past the security checkpoint.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:48 am
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Is there a rule against tossing two or three 3 oz. bottles of the stuff into the quart-sized bag so I have enough?

Response: Whatever fits into a quart-sized bag should be fine as long as each of the individual liquid/gel-containing containers inside the bag do not individually appear to exceed 3 oz.


Hmm. If I were someone who played mental "what if" games, I'd be unconvinced that this tactic improves my safety. What's to stop a bad guy from filling nine 3 oz. containers with something dangerous (cough), thereby taking 27 oz. of threat aboard?

Mind you, I'm happy that it appears I can take enough shampoo on my trips.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I'm anticipating that this will be the role of the TSA ticket reader once we assume that role from the current contractors.
That's being taken over as well? I thought the airlines really wanted that to be private so that they could do the "elite" thing.
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