TSA Adjusting Prohibitions/Designated "Ask Bart" Thread
Sep 25, 2006 | 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by PHLbuddy
1) Does anyone find it foolish they are x-raying liquids and gels (apart from everything else, of course)? X-ray imaging is unable to discern meaningful differences among fluids.
This just seems nonsensical.
This just seems nonsensical.
2) While I applaud the departure of the stupid gate checks, I wonder if it's a good idea to publicly announce that. Note, I find no efficacy to them whatsoever, but leaving them open as an avenue of screening does have its advantages from the TSA perspective.
Sep 25, 2006 | 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by kaukau
100mll. is the accepted metric equivalent of 3oz.
Sep 25, 2006 | 4:05 pm
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please change you gloves
can you imagine....
if asked, the screener must change their gloves before inspecting your belongings. hee hee-i'm gonna have so much fun.......ok, off to the penalty box
if asked, the screener must change their gloves before inspecting your belongings. hee hee-i'm gonna have so much fun.......ok, off to the penalty box
Sep 25, 2006 | 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Legalbee
Funny you should say that because that was my dilemna. Here in Canada many of the travel size prodeucts are 100ml. Yet, that is, as indicated on 1 of my label's 3.3 oz. Are they going to accept these items, or am I asking too early?
Sep 25, 2006 | 4:30 pm
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Shhhhh .... I'm sure no terrorists have figured this out, and I sure wouldn't want to give them any ideas, but ...
... isn't it possible that a group of people could each bring small amounts of liquids, and then, you know, like mix them together and still end up with enough?
Gosh. What does this mean. I can think of only two things:
1. The people who devise these rules are even more stupid than they seem and didn't think of this. Nah, they are not that stupid.
or
2. There really is no danger presented by having liquids on planes.
In either case the new restrictions now in place make no sense!
... isn't it possible that a group of people could each bring small amounts of liquids, and then, you know, like mix them together and still end up with enough?
Gosh. What does this mean. I can think of only two things:
1. The people who devise these rules are even more stupid than they seem and didn't think of this. Nah, they are not that stupid.
or
2. There really is no danger presented by having liquids on planes.
In either case the new restrictions now in place make no sense!
Sep 25, 2006 | 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Teacher49
Shhhhh .... I'm sure no terrorists have figured this out, and I sure wouldn't want to give them any ideas, but ...
... isn't it possible that a group of people could each bring small amounts of liquids, and then, you know, like mix them together and still end up with enough?
... isn't it possible that a group of people could each bring small amounts of liquids, and then, you know, like mix them together and still end up with enough?
However, in reality, whatever components were supposedly of interest 6 weeks ago will still cruise right on by the x-ray in a 3 oz bottle marked "Prell".
Nicely done, Comrade Hawley.
Sep 25, 2006 | 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Teacher49
2. There really is no danger presented by having liquids on planes.
In either case the new restrictions now in place make no sense!
In either case the new restrictions now in place make no sense!
Sep 25, 2006 | 5:34 pm
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I thought things were improving until I read this:
Are you kidding me?? That is going to cause some major headaches. 
Originally Posted by Bart
The other exceptions to the current liquids, gels and aerosol rule still applies; however, you now have to declare these items and also have these items x-rayed separately. A TSO will record these declared items on the reverse side of the boarding pass.
Sep 25, 2006 | 7:11 pm
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Recording any "exception" items on the back of the boarding passes is WRONG. Many airlines keep the boarding pass (or at least a large part of it), and so now the federal government will be forcing people to essentially disclose to the airlines (and anyone else who gets a hold of the trashed boarding passes) any medical conditions or personal items that they brought with them. Items that are allowed as exceptions are of no threat and hence should not have to be disclosed to the airlines.
Sep 25, 2006 | 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by alliance
Recording any "exception" items on the back of the boarding passes is WRONG. Many airlines keep the boarding pass (or at least a large part of it), and so now the federal government will be forcing people to essentially disclose to the airlines (and anyone else who gets a hold of the trashed boarding passes) any medical conditions or personal items that they brought with them. Items that are allowed as exceptions are of no threat and hence should not have to be disclosed to the airlines.
Sep 25, 2006 | 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by amejr999
Print an extra boarding pass off the internet and use that to board. Typical idiotic TSA policies.
The sample videos don't show the TSO writing on the boarding pass, but using some pad of sticky paper to presumably "authorize" the items to go through the x-ray. That is better than writing on boarding passes - but still seems unnecessary. People should be able to keep the items in their bags, and then if they get detected on the magical x-ray machine the citizen or guest of the US should be able to explain the item privately with a TSO.
Sep 25, 2006 | 8:27 pm
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TSA movie links broken
In yet another affront to the female traveler, the TSA web site movie link that shows the "Female Business Traveler" what to do with her zip lock bag takes her to the "Male Business Traveler" movie.
It is also interesting that the Male Business Traveler is shown putting his laptop through, while the Female Business Traveler only puts in her zip lock. Guess the TSA thinks that Female Business Travelers don't carry laptops, only steno pads.
For those who would like to see the female business traveler movie it is here
The Male Business Traveler movie, which works, is here.
(First rule of Web Design, always check all links...)
It is also interesting that the Male Business Traveler is shown putting his laptop through, while the Female Business Traveler only puts in her zip lock. Guess the TSA thinks that Female Business Travelers don't carry laptops, only steno pads.
For those who would like to see the female business traveler movie it is here
The Male Business Traveler movie, which works, is here.
(First rule of Web Design, always check all links...)
Sep 25, 2006 | 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by alliance
Recording any "exception" items on the back of the boarding passes is WRONG. Many airlines keep the boarding pass (or at least a large part of it), and so now the federal government will be forcing people to essentially disclose to the airlines (and anyone else who gets a hold of the trashed boarding passes) any medical conditions or personal items that they brought with them.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
Congratulations, TSA! You are now directly at odds with the Department of Health and Human Services! I'll get the popcorn.
Sep 25, 2006 | 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Meaning that this inane procedure will last until the first HIPAA lawsuit.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
Congratulations, TSA! You are now directly at odds with the Department of Health and Human Services! I'll get the popcorn.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
Congratulations, TSA! You are now directly at odds with the Department of Health and Human Services! I'll get the popcorn.
Sep 25, 2006 | 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by wdwright
In yet another affront to the female traveler, the TSA web site movie link that shows the "Female Business Traveler" what to do with her zip lock bag takes her to the "Male Business Traveler" movie.
It is also interesting that the Male Business Traveler is shown putting his laptop through, while the Female Business Traveler only puts in her zip lock. Guess the TSA thinks that Female Business Travelers don't carry laptops, only steno pads.
For those who would like to see the female business traveler movie it is here
The Male Business Traveler movie, which works, is here.
(First rule of Web Design, always check all links...)
It is also interesting that the Male Business Traveler is shown putting his laptop through, while the Female Business Traveler only puts in her zip lock. Guess the TSA thinks that Female Business Travelers don't carry laptops, only steno pads.
For those who would like to see the female business traveler movie it is here
The Male Business Traveler movie, which works, is here.
(First rule of Web Design, always check all links...)