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KDS May 10, 2016 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26605735)
I'm waiting for a real revolt in a checkpoint line.

Congress and TSA -- two birds of a feather. Both have abysmal "approval" ratings, everyone keeps waiting for the revolt to replace them, they just keep getting "re-elected" and stay on the job. Until the passengers abandon their travel plans and leave the airport because of slow security, all that will happen is a lot of complaining and anger, but that's it.

I wish for better results, but .....

BSBD May 10, 2016 4:23 pm

I received an email from BNA management to expect heavy travel volume today. Sure enough, the regular lines stretched back into the terminal, and appeared to be at least 1 hour wait time, if not longer. I was the only one in the BNA PreCheck line at 2pm CDT. Total transit time 1 minute, and yes, I sent my usual prohibited items through the x-Ray :)

I'm coming back from ATL later this week so I don't expect it will be that easy given the South Terminal shutdown.

KDS May 10, 2016 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26605300)
I'm beginning to see PreCheck not as a method of giving expedited screening to certain people but rather as a method of having as many air passengers "fully vetted" as possible.

TSA just couldn't state: You must let us do a background check on you before you can board a plane" - they knew that wouldn't fly (pun intended).

So they came up with PreCheck "perks" of allowing passengers to keep their shoes and clothes on in exchange for their fingerprints and background checks.

PreCheck isn't about "expedited screening", it's about having as much info as possible on as many passengers as possible.

I've had this same sense from the beginning of the "sell PreCheck" time. Very similar to the storyline in "Person of Interest" TV show in US where the character states he invented online social media in order to coerce people into giving up personal information without the person understanding that that is what he/she is doing. And another reason why I won't sign up for GE or Precheck programs.

TWA884 May 10, 2016 7:47 pm

NBC News:
Airlines Launch Social Media Campaign Against Long TSA Lines


With the #iHateTheWait campaign, airlines are asking travelers to share photos of long security lines to highlight a growing problem that has led some airports to use private security.
The Dallas Morning News:
Airlines launch iHateTheWait.com as site for passengers to rant about long security lines


<snip>

Airlines for America, the industry’s trade group, just launched a website called iHateTheWait.com, encouraging fliers to post photos of the lines on Twitter and Instagram along with the hashtag #iHateTheWait. Presumably this will make Congress more aware of the problem — and let fellow travelers know what they’re in for when they get to the airport.

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JoeBas May 11, 2016 8:01 am

"Do whatever you want to me, as long as you do it quickly!!!" :rolleyes:

BearX220 May 11, 2016 11:47 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26605208)
If TSA had any confidence in it's BDO program that is exactly how screening operations would be conducted.

TSA will never be able to execute meaningful BDO with its current low-skilled, virtually untrainable, de facto out-of-control workforce.

petaluma1 May 11, 2016 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 26610109)
TSA will never be able to execute meaningful BDO with its current low-skilled, virtually untrainable, de facto out-of-control workforce.

Oh, but Neffenger's "training academy" is going to change that. :rolleyes:

GUWonder May 11, 2016 1:47 pm

Merely ending the bulk of the shoe carnival at the security screening checkpoints and replacing the use of the strip search machines with walk-thru metal detectors could easily reduce the lines at the screening checkpoints.

petaluma1 May 12, 2016 5:08 am

Oh, look, TSA is accepting praise for the good service a passenger got at SFO:

https://twitter.com/AskTSA/status/730563489371172864

[They] can't even bother to say that security at SFO is handled by a private company, not the TSA.

petaluma1 May 12, 2016 12:11 pm

Reports are beginning to surface that lines are so backed up that TSA isn't using body scanners or requiring that shoes be off/liquids of carry-ons in order to speed things up.

Boggie Dog May 12, 2016 2:22 pm

The backups in TSA lines have only been a significant issue over the last few months and I do not believe a decrease in TSA staffing levels or an increase in passenger load accounts for what is happening. Neffenger is playing the public.

KDS May 12, 2016 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26615991)
Reports are beginning to surface that lines are so backed up that TSA isn't using body scanners or requiring that shoes be off/liquids of carry-ons in order to speed things up.

If this were a different administration serving as US government; AND if the TSA head position were occupied by someone with common sense and strong adherence to US Constitution; AND if that person wanted to redirect the security practices back to more appropriate procedures; AND if that person realized that such redirection would be accomplished best by causing another problem to be the "cause" of why the procedures were changing; AND if the person understood that the "anything for security" people would never realize that this were happening when the "reason" for the change is the very slow/long lines......

Well, then I'd say this would be a good thing, and one likely to portend better procedures in the future going forward.

Now, back to reality.... it's just TSA trying to "paper over" the outcry without changing anything fundamental.

petaluma1 May 12, 2016 4:48 pm

On NBC Nightly News, 35% of new screeners leave in the first year. (Sorry, no link yet.) Also 117 leave a week, not 103 as previously reported. Nightly News pushing Pre with nary a word about all the complaints about the "program."

BThumme May 12, 2016 8:32 pm

Anyone see this video of the line from Midway? Yikes!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byUV...ature=youtu.be

Loren Pechtel May 12, 2016 11:23 pm

Just a <G>: I found mention of the app TSA uses to measure wait time--and Firefox squawks the security on the site is set up wrong!


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