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wolf72 May 16, 2016 2:34 am

This must be doing wonder's for tourism....not.

BobbySteel May 16, 2016 8:24 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26629033)
Would be interesting to see a wait time comparison between contract and non-contract airports.

You can make that pretty easily (at least as far as their buckets lack granularity)
http://apps.tsa.dhs.gov/mytsa/wait_times_detail.aspx

chollie May 16, 2016 8:33 am


Originally Posted by BobbySteel (Post 26632985)
You can make that pretty easily (at least as far as their buckets lack granularity)
http://apps.tsa.dhs.gov/mytsa/wait_times_detail.aspx

I understand that not only is the app very buggy and unreliable, by design it will not record a wait time > 30 minutes.

So much for fair comparisons.

OT, but AskTSA has officially contradicted itself - surprising, considering I rarely look at it. One response told a pax he could take his tent and tent poles in his carry-on. A more recent response says the tent and poles have to be put in checked baggage.

After 15 years, neither the website nor AskTSA can offer a consistent answer to a simple question. Too bad more frontline TSOs don't understand this. If they did, maybe they'd quit barking at pax for being too stupid to know the unpublished inconsistent rules.

petaluma1 May 16, 2016 8:35 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26622385)
There were hints of a passenger revolt at EWR a few weeks ago, but that's all I ever heard.

https://twitter.com/GaileyWestmore/s...98394249289728


TSA issues cause safety issues FOR ALL at O'Hare. Intense verbal confrontations abound & no police.

petaluma1 May 16, 2016 9:12 am

Is TSA targeting AA for problems? It almost seems as if that is, in fact, what is happening.

wrp96 May 16, 2016 9:15 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26633232)
Is TSA targeting AA for problems? It almost seems as if that is, in fact, what is happening.

I don't know that it's AA specific. Someone reported 90-120 minute waits for regular security last night at ATL (a DL hub). MDW had the video of the lines midweek. EWR has reported bad lines off and on for months.

Upthread I referenced TSA incompetence, but I really do think this is intentional now. And it feels like one day it's DL, next day AA, next day UA, next day WN, etc. It's almost like TSA is rotating through airports so that no airline can accuse the TSA of targeting them specifically.

petaluma1 May 16, 2016 9:20 am


Originally Posted by wrp96 (Post 26633254)
I don't know that it's AA specific. Someone reported 90-120 minute waits for regular security last night at ATL (a DL hub). MDW had the video of the lines midweek. EWR has reported bad lines off and on for months.

Upthread I referenced TSA incompetence, but I really do think this is intentional now. And it feels like one day it's DL, next day AA, next day UA, next day WN, etc. It's almost like TSA is rotating through airports so that no airline can accuse the TSA of targeting them specifically.

I agree that it's intentional, but also incompetency drives it. It could be that AA customers are just more vocal that those of other airlines.

FliesWay2Much May 16, 2016 9:49 am


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 26626680)
Well, there's revolt and then there's revolt.

There will be no mass disobedience at the nations airports. It simply won't happen. Heck, National Opt-Out Day was too much.

If you recall, just the threat of National Opt-Out Day made the TSA react by turning off all the Cancer Boxes that day, and then proclaiming (with the help of the media) that Opt Out Day was a failure because there were no lines.

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 10:00 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26633285)
I agree that it's intentional, but also incompetency drives it. It could be that AA customers are just more vocal that those of other airlines.

The extreme delays at TSA checkpoints only became news around March. TSA ended one form of Managed Inclusion and started a campaign to increase Pre Check rolls in a major way at about the same time. During the same time frame budget negotiations were getting underway and we all know that TSA wants more money to squander on Skelator and other former DHS/TSA executives. To many things all add up to intentional acts by TSA.

FliesWay2Much May 16, 2016 10:13 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26633467)
The extreme delays at TSA checkpoints only became news around March. TSA ended one form of Managed Inclusion and started a campaign to increase Pre Check rolls in a major way at about the same time. During the same time frame budget negotiations were getting underway and we all know that TSA wants more money to squander on Skelator and other former DHS/TSA executives. To many things all add up to intentional acts by TSA.

Yep -- Even when I think about this objectively, the numbers just don't add up. Why was everything fine one day and gridlocked the next -- almost overnight?

chollie May 16, 2016 10:18 am

At the same time TSA was pushing Pre as the answer to everything on their twitter feed and in Congress, pax standing in long lines were witnessing closed Pre lanes at known peak times. Pax who tried to enroll found that Pre enrollment offices were closed during posted hours, didn't honor appointment times, or had closed and left no relocation information. (I can't help but wonder which corrupt TSA official is making $$$ off unstaffed Pre offices). AskTSA kept bleating about a mythical 'expedited experience' available for the asking for Pre pax stuck waiting in long regular lines - a lie that no one actually working a checkpoint ever heard of, as pax posted repeatedly.

Meanwhile, Congress is its usual lame self. Even Mica didn't think to ask Neffy: "If Pre is the answer, why are the Pre lines so frequently closed during peak periods? Why is Pre availability left up to the FSD's discretion?"

Fortunately, GE isn't dependent on whether or not the local FSD/CBP honcho approves of it. People get the service they pay for.

TWA884 May 16, 2016 10:29 am

Charlotte Business Journal:
Excerpt:

American Airlines has responded by bringing in extra staff to help out at its major hubs including Charlotte Douglas International Airport. Ross Feinstein, a spokesman with the Fort Worth, Texas-based carrier, told the CBJ that American Airlines Group (NYSE:AAL) is footing the bill in contracting personnel to assist U.S. Transportation Security Administration agents with "non-screening" functions at CLT and its major hubs, such as in Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., Miami, Los Angeles and New York's JFK Airport. Similar to a recent move by Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc., American is trying to "alleviate" long waits at TSA stations and offer a "temporary solution" to frustrated customers, Feinstein said.

American's contracted workers are helping TSA officers with non-essential duties, such as pushing bins and telling passengers to remove products from their bags, in an effort to open up additional lines that are not currently being properly utilized, Feinstein said.

"It's not a final solution," said Feinstein, adding the move is not necessarily going to shorten lines. Feinstein stressed the overall need for more TSA screeners, especially as airports prepare for the peak summer travel season. A former TSA spokesman, Feinstein has previously called nationwide TSA checkpoint lines "unacceptable."

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 11:08 am

Drudge headlines are skewering TSA right now.

"Complaints Surge 10 Fold"

"TSA Breakdown: Airport Lines Go For Miles"

and this one, "Feds Blame Flyers"

http://www.drudgereport.com/

BThumme May 16, 2016 11:08 am


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 26633619)
Charlotte Business Journal:
Excerpt:

Seems like that would make an already cramped area more cramped? Also a lot more room for theft to occur.

CalVol May 16, 2016 1:19 pm

So AA is helping out by performing non-essential TSA duties?

Hmmm!

Doesn't that pretty much describe everything TSA does? @:-)


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