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chollie May 16, 2016 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26633532)
Yep -- Even when I think about this objectively, the numbers just don't add up. Why was everything fine one day and gridlocked the next -- almost overnight?

Someone realized there's a bucket load of money to be made by providing private security to replace TSA. The real money will be at the big airports, of course, and those airports are the best places to get everyone's attention.

Coincidentally, TSA claims to be aggressively marketing the Pre solution while keeping Pre lanes shut down and staging a general work slowdown. Even at the airports most impacted, there continue to be reports of pax standing around while TSOs indulge in personal conversations or check their cellphones - zero sense of urgency on the part of workers or management. This attitude and the outright contempt displayed at AskTSA reinforce the public's negative perception of TSA.

Why would the top folks at TSA be so unconcerned about the further decline in the agency's reputation and the threats of privatization? Perhaps they have a personal stake in privatization.

It wouldn't be the first time an out-going head of TSA was setting up his post-retirement income stream.

cubs105 May 16, 2016 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26634544)
Someone realized there's a bucket load of money to be made by providing private security to replace TSA. The real money will be at the big airports, of course, and those airports are the best places to get everyone's attention.

Coincidentally, TSA claims to be aggressively marketing the Pre solution while keeping Pre lanes shut down and staging a general work slowdown. Even at the airports most impacted, there continue to be reports of pax standing around while TSOs indulge in personal conversations or check their cellphones - zero sense of urgency on the part of workers or management. This attitude and the outright contempt displayed at AskTSA reinforce the public's negative perception of TSA.

Why would the top folks at TSA be so unconcerned about the further decline in the agency's reputation and the threats of privatization? Perhaps they have a personal stake in privatization.

It wouldn't be the first time an out-going head of TSA was setting up his post-retirement income stream.

When I was flying out of a small regional airport yesterday the ID checker was intentionally slowing down the line, every time he checked an ID he would pause, grab his phone and do something on it. After a few a minute or two he would motion the next person to come forward and do the same song and dance.

When it came time for the screening the TSO said please wait while the machine warms up. What used to take 5 minutes at most took 45 minutes at my home airport. Supposedly this is happening everywhere and the rumors going around is that orders came from the top to slow down and make people wait.

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26634544)
Someone realized there's a bucket load of money to be made by providing private security to replace TSA. The real money will be at the big airports, of course, and those airports are the best places to get everyone's attention.

Coincidentally, TSA claims to be aggressively marketing the Pre solution while keeping Pre lanes shut down and staging a general work slowdown. Even at the airports most impacted, there continue to be reports of pax standing around while TSOs indulge in personal conversations or check their cellphones - zero sense of urgency on the part of workers or management. This attitude and the outright contempt displayed at AskTSA reinforce the public's negative perception of TSA.

Why would the top folks at TSA be so unconcerned about the further decline in the agency's reputation and the threats of privatization? Perhaps they have a personal stake in privatization.

It wouldn't be the first time an out-going head of TSA was setting up his post-retirement income stream.

TSA's reputation is already at zero so no decline is possible. Jeh Johnson and Neffenger are so busy placing blame outside of TSA that I doubt the true source of this current problem will ever be fully known. I personally believe what we are seeing is a directed action.

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 4:28 pm

http://www.infowars.com/passenger-ts...le-long-lines/


TSA agents stood around and cracked jokes while passengers waited over four hours


TSA employees displaying typical TSA professionalism.

petaluma1 May 16, 2016 5:56 pm

Several inquiries on AskTSA today about getting PreScam for kids. Does TSA fingerprint and background check kids 13 and older? If so, what parent in their right mind would allow the government to take their kid's fingerprints?

WillCAD May 16, 2016 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26635788)
Several inquiries on AskTSA today about getting PreScam for kids. Does TSA fingerprint and background check kids 13 and older? If so, what parent in their right mind would allow the government to take their kid's fingerprints?

Lots of parents don't think it through; they're convinced that having their kids' fingerprints taken is some kind of a hedge against abduction. The faulty reasoning is, "if someone steals my child, the fingerprints will prove it's mine and I'll get it back!" The fault in that, of course, is that if you need fingerprints to identify a child, it's either because the child is too young to identify their own parents, is non-verbal due to a condition such as autism, or because the child is dead. But parents simply don't think that way. They just think, fingerprints = safety.

BSBD May 16, 2016 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26633532)
Yep -- Even when I think about this objectively, the numbers just don't add up. Why was everything fine one day and gridlocked the next -- almost overnight?

Well, that's not the case at all. It was clear almost a year ago that this would happen.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...y-holes-120117

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 26636000)
Well, that's not the case at all. It was clear almost a year ago that this would happen.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...y-holes-120117


A month after the TSA was embarrassed by its almost-total failure in a covert security audit, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson has ordered the agency to pursue an improvement plan that will require more hand-wanding of passengers, more use of bomb-sniffing dogs and more random testing of luggage and travelers for traces of explosives.
What was signaled was a slowdown caused by TSA procedures. Nothing about more passengers, fewer screeners, or anything else. Has anyone seen a HHMD wand anywhere in the states?


What has happened is that TSA put all of its eggs in the Pre Check basket and failed to plan for normal business.

Neffenger should be fired yesterday!

FliesWay2Much May 16, 2016 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 26636000)
Well, that's not the case at all. It was clear almost a year ago that this would happen.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...y-holes-120117

I would potentially agree if I saw any evidence of additional harassment. Frankly, I haven't seen a thing that's different or more intrusive on a large scale across most airports.

TWA884 May 16, 2016 7:40 pm

Chicago Tribune:
TSA plans more staff to cut airport lines, but union says it's not enough

Excerpts

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...the Transportation Security Administration plans to hire nearly 800 new officers this month and pay for more part-time workers and overtime.

But the union that represents security officers said that won't solve the problem, and that TSA needs 6,000 additional full-time officers to address a shortfall that has come as airlines are experiencing an increase in passengers.

***

About 450 American Airlines customers at O'Hare International Airport missed flights Sunday due to lines of more than two hours, and dozens who couldn't get on a later flight slept on cots at the terminal, American spokeswoman Leslie Scott said.

***

Chicago aviation department spokesman Owen Kilmer said the TSA budgeted for 15 canine units at the two Chicago airports, which can cut wait times because dogs can sniff passengers for explosive materials, allowing them to be moved to a quicker line.

***

BSBD May 16, 2016 7:42 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26636091)
What was signaled was a slowdown caused by TSA procedures. Nothing about more passengers, fewer screeners, or anything else. Has anyone seen a HHMD wand anywhere in the states?

It's politico.com - they get the gist of stories, but their attention to detail is as good as TSA's :)

Anyway, the point is - the slowdown wasn't unexpected. It didn't just "appear." It was planned long in advance, and anticipated.

Loren Pechtel May 16, 2016 8:13 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26635434)
http://www.infowars.com/passenger-ts...le-long-lines/



TSA employees displaying typical TSA professionalism.

Infowars isn't a credible source.

Boggie Dog May 16, 2016 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 26636333)
Infowars isn't a credible source.

Neither are some of the mainstream news sources. Each individual should evaluate a story for themselves.

fwoomp May 16, 2016 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 26635887)
Lots of parents don't think it through; they're convinced that having their kids' fingerprints taken is some kind of a hedge against abduction. The faulty reasoning is, "if someone steals my child, the fingerprints will prove it's mine and I'll get it back!" The fault in that, of course, is that if you need fingerprints to identify a child, it's either because the child is too young to identify their own parents, is non-verbal due to a condition such as autism, or because the child is dead. But parents simply don't think that way. They just think, fingerprints = safety.

Also, the fingerprinting craze began in the 80s--a lot of people who are parents now were probably fingerprinted themselves as children, so don't really think it through because it seems "normal."

TWA884 May 16, 2016 10:52 pm

Moderator's Note:
 
Please stay on topic (FT Rule 5), that is: Long TSA Lines.

If you wish to discuss the merits of enrolling kids in PreCheck or the wisdom of fingerprinting them, please start a new thread.

Thank you,

TWA884
Co-moderator, Travel Safety/Security


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