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Xyzzy May 4, 2016 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 26579021)
Sure, the ID check isn't foolproof - which is why it's utterly useless as a security measure - but it's more than good enough to stop the average person from bringing the entire clan to see the Grans off to Boca or to visit Uncle Fred in Cheyenne. Most people won't buy a refundable ticket and then cancel, especially not for a whole family; the funds involved are prohibitive.

Most people wouldn't print an extra boarding pass either... but we're getting :eek:ff topic here...

cbn42 May 5, 2016 1:43 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26570586)
PreCheck screening should be the default screening method for everyone, not just 80% or fewer.

What would be accomplished by withholding reasonable screening from 20% of the people?

It would avoid PR problems.

If the TSA abruptly decided to screen everyone by Precheck, it would generate headlines like "Security Standards Lowered!" and "TSA Compromises Safety!" Instead, if they simply increased the number of people who receive Precheck-style screening, they can present it as a risk-based program and it's unlikely to generate opposition.

Xyzzy May 5, 2016 5:19 am

:rolleyes:h joy - the NY Times has the expected "Give them more money to shorten the lines" op-ed piece this morning. It says in part this:

...
Congress authorized $4.15 billion for the T.S.A.’s airport screening operation in 2016, up just $37 million from the year before. That’s clearly inadequate, given the increase in passengers. In addition to more money, the T.S.A. needs greater flexibility to increase spending when demand for air travel surges. For example, Congress should allow the department to tap into more of the money the government collects from a security tax levied on tickets when traffic grows faster than projected. In the past, Congress has diverted some of that revenue to the general fund.

The security agency can also reduce wait times by making smart adjustments that don’t require congressional action. One step, suggested by a trade association representing airports, is to give local T.S.A. managers the power to spend more money on overtime during busy periods without consulting headquarters.
...

Teasip82 May 5, 2016 6:08 am

General security comment
 
Mods, posting here because it is more of a general statement, but please move if appropriate.

Just came through security at B Terminal of BWI. General security lines are very long. I fly through here pretty much every week, the lines are never this long. Can't help but notice this is happening immediately after TSA planted stories about expecting much longer lines and how they need more staff/funding. Once again, I fly out of here at least once per week on average, so have a pretty good data set.

Anyone else observing the same at their home airport?

Redhead May 5, 2016 6:35 am

Yes, RDU has gotten worse too

petaluma1 May 5, 2016 7:07 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 26580195)
:rolleyes:h joy - the NY Times has the expected "Give them more money to shorten the lines" op-ed piece this morning. It says in part this:

From the comments, not many readers agree with the Times and the majority see TSA for what it really is: a waste of money & totally useless.

Boggie Dog May 5, 2016 7:45 am


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 26579824)
It would avoid PR problems.

If the TSA abruptly decided to screen everyone by Precheck, it would generate headlines like "Security Standards Lowered!" and "TSA Compromises Safety!" Instead, if they simply increased the number of people who receive Precheck-style screening, they can present it as a risk-based program and it's unlikely to generate opposition.

TSA already has PR problems. Doing something that helps travelers transit TSA Checkpoints and has very little, if any, increase in risk would be a positive for TSA. Everyone who buys an airline ticket is already ran through multiple watch lists and other record checks so TSA already knows if any one person presents a threat. If there is a hit from one of the databases then give that person additional screening.

TSA claims to be using Risk Based Security but that just is not true when the majority of people are being screened in the regular security lines. TSA has failed doing it their way so now is time to mandate changes that benefit the public and puts some controls on TSA's ability to determine its on path.

LondonElite May 5, 2016 8:07 am

Yes, we all hate long lines. Not just at airports.

FliesWay2Much May 5, 2016 8:43 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26577459)
Eliminating TSA ID checks would make perfect sense and that is why TSA will not eliminate ID checks.

Kippie once said "ID matters" and that was that. The airlines are mor than happy to have the federal government perform revenue control for them. The ID checks are a great way for the TSA to catch druggies, people with cash, deadbeat dads and illegals. This is why ID checks will never go away.

BearX220 May 5, 2016 9:18 am

Widely reported syndrome at many US airports. Lots of people missing flights because they did not show up at T minus three hours.

Boggie Dog May 5, 2016 9:55 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26580954)
Kippie once said "ID matters" and that was that. The airlines are mor than happy to have the federal government perform revenue control for them. The ID checks are a great way for the TSA to catch druggies, people with cash, deadbeat dads and illegals. This is why ID checks will never go away.


Exactly how do ID checks as done by TSA catch druggies, people with cash, deadbeat dads and illegals?

Proudelitist May 5, 2016 10:02 am

Think it's a case of "blue flu" slowdown?

ajeleonard May 5, 2016 10:04 am

TSA playing politics with the election this year?

TWA884 May 5, 2016 10:24 am

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CPRich May 5, 2016 11:06 am

PIT and PHL have been fine. I think there's a forum for TSA/Security conspiracy theory discussions.


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