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chollie Apr 25, 2016 4:25 pm

http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/20...tsa-wait-times


The legislation also aims to boost enrollment in TSA PreCheck, the expedited screening program that has fallen short of its goals. To do that, a cash-strapped TSA would be required to use private companies to sell the program to the public, and to expand the hours of operation of the special lanes, which are sometimes closed during busy times due to staffing shortages. It’s not clear how fast the TSA could boost PreCheck, however. In response to questions from CNT, a TSA spokesman confirmed that 6.9 million travelers are enrolled in some sort of Trusted Traveler plan, including Global Entry—the goal is to have 25 million members by 2019, many of them road warriors who take at least three or four trips a year.
While that’s a small percentage of the number of people who fly every year, the payoff could be substantial, since this target audience would “generate about 50 percent of airline trips,” the spokesman said...The agency has already invited private sector firms to submit bids for “innovative solutions,” and at least three contracts are expected to be awarded in the next few months.
The language of the article makes it sound like TSA is claiming it can't fully implement and support PreCheck until it has met its target of 25 million. Too bad for the people who have already bought and paid for the service. I would like to know how they arrived at a figure of 25 million frequent-travelling 'road warriors'. One would think that TSA would want accurate numbers, but the goal could have been based on how much TSA planned to rake in from $85 fees. Unfortunately, given that TSA's only pronouncements on the subject seem to indicate this mess is going to persist for the foreseeable future - and get much worse over the summer. It looks like Neffy's going to run the clock out by waiting for contracts to be awarded and implemented. The messes will continue - his only personal goal really does appear to be to get a huge retirement bonus for improving test scores one time.

petaluma1 Apr 25, 2016 4:53 pm

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Loren Pechtel Apr 25, 2016 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 26533260)
Not so sure about that bolded part. Here's what happens: Lines are long. TSA tells passengers that they are understaffed. Passengers who care enough to do something contact Congress-critter. C-c has two choices: Give the TSA more money to shut them up or try and devise a new, but useful, security agency.

Guess which one is the path of least resistance?

Mike

Dear Congresscritter:

At airport XXX I encountered long security lines and was told that it was because they were understaffed. Please light a fire under the posteriors of those responsible for this work slowdown. Pink slips would be ideal.

Boggie Dog Apr 26, 2016 2:54 pm

TSA screeners are being sent to political events. At the 1:55 in the linked video are two blue shirts that certainly appear to be TSA. My question is if TSA can't properly staff airports then why in Hades are they being pulled from airports?

You can mute the audio from the video, it has nothing to do with the topic and is not being used to make any statement other than the presence of TSA employees where they don't belong.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/vid...rt-into-rally/

FliesWay2Much Apr 28, 2016 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26539101)
TSA screeners are being sent to political events. At the 1:55 in the linked video are two blue shirts that certainly appear to be TSA. My question is if TSA can't properly staff airports then why in Hades are they being pulled from airports?

You can mute the audio from the video, it has nothing to do with the topic and is not being used to make any statement other than the presence of TSA employees where they don't belong.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/vid...rt-into-rally/

They're called National Security Special Events. Since the TSA is part of DHS, they get involved if DHS wants somebody to grope people at entrances. They don't have a problem getting clerks to volunteer. Which would you rather do: Grope people at an airport or stand around at the Super Bowl?

chollie Apr 28, 2016 4:29 pm

Morale within the bottom (working) ranks at some of these airports must be dismal. It can't be any fun for them (most of them, anyway) working with big, super-stressed crowds every day, especially when they've already been told this is only going to get worse in the coming months. I wonder if vacation requests will be suspended for the summer at airports like EWR and ATL and SEA.

Boggie Dog Apr 28, 2016 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26549828)
They're called National Security Special Events. Since the TSA is part of DHS, they get involved if DHS wants somebody to grope people at entrances. They don't have a problem getting clerks to volunteer. Which would you rather do: Grope people at an airport or stand around at the Super Bowl?

I know this but the point is if TSA can't fully staff airports then they should not be assigned additional duties. Tickets taxes pays for TSA not some political event.

chollie Apr 28, 2016 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26550289)
I know this but the point is if TSA can't fully staff airports then they should not be assigned additional duties. Tickets taxes pays for TSA not some political event.

Yeah, it's particularly annoying to be waiting in long lines while the TSOs I and other fliers have paid for are working on my dime at political events.

Boggie Dog May 2, 2016 8:11 am

Another piece on TSA Screening delays. While I don't think air travel will ever be fun again it certainly could be more pleasant. Flying today starts off badly with being forced to pass though TSA's unprofessional screening procedures. Hopefully TSA's own incompetence will be the start to removing this cancer from out airports.


How to fix the TSA and make air travel fun again

http://nypost.com/2016/05/01/how-to-...vel-fun-again/


There is a ready solution to the TSA’s problems: Replace the agency. In large airports with multiple security checkpoints, airlines should be required to hire their own screeners and set their own procedures, bypassing the TSA.

petaluma1 May 2, 2016 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26565199)
Another piece on TSA Screening delays. While I don't think air travel will ever be fun again it certainly could be more pleasant. Flying today starts off badly with being forced to pass though TSA's unprofessional screening procedures. Hopefully TSA's own incompetence will be the start to removing this cancer from out airports.


How to fix the TSA and make air travel fun again

http://nypost.com/2016/05/01/how-to-...vel-fun-again/

I've seen at least 3 articles on the subject of the TSA just today - and not one of them is friendly towards this abomination of an agency.

chollie May 2, 2016 10:08 am

I don't need friendly.

I pay for professionalism and efficiency.

petaluma1 May 2, 2016 10:20 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26565821)
I don't need friendly.

I pay for professionalism and efficiency.

I think you mis-read what I wrote.

gingersnaps May 2, 2016 10:31 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26565199)
Another piece on TSA Screening delays. While I don't think air travel will ever be fun again it certainly could be more pleasant. Flying today starts off badly with being forced to pass though TSA's unprofessional screening procedures. Hopefully TSA's own incompetence will be the start to removing this cancer from out airports.


How to fix the TSA and make air travel fun again

http://nypost.com/2016/05/01/how-to-...vel-fun-again/


And yet, Private Security is not the solution.

Private Security, at SFO, REFUSED to permit medically exempt liquids as a carry-on. Why then is Private Security better?

Private Security, at SFO, cheated on covert testing! DHS IG John Roth has told us Private Security and TSA are no different in terms of success on covert testing. Why then is Private Security better?

Many claim that Private Security would be fired for bad performance. WRONG.
Private Security, at SFO, cheated on covert tests, and refused to allow medically exempt liquids; that Private Security STILL conducts screening at SFO. Why then is Private security better?

Private security screeners, at SFO, were caught smuggling drugs. Why then is private security better?


Airport security needs a readjustment. Private security is not the answer.

petaluma1 May 2, 2016 10:44 am


Originally Posted by gingersnaps (Post 26565941)

Many claim that Private Security would be fired for bad performance. WRONG.
Private Security, at SFO, cheated on covert tests, and refused to allow medically exempt liquids; that Private Security STILL conducts screening at SFO. Why then is Private security better?

You don't know that the screeners/management that cheated on testing and disallowed exempt liquids weren't fired. I think the point is that it is easier to remove individual screeners working for a business that provides security than to remove screeners working for the government.

chollie May 2, 2016 10:49 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26565884)
I think you mis-read what I wrote.

No, but I could have worded my response more clearly.

Some folks don't have a friendly view of TSA. TSA's response would be that they aren't in the business of making friends. Fair enough - none of us are asking for friendliness at the checkpoint.

Professionalism and efficiency would be enough.


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