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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21955831)
That is in large part part of the reason why I don't show my passports to the TSA even when some TSA employees demand them. I'm usually only 30 minutes to 72 hours from an international trip and losing a passport with visas is a risk I'd rather reduce. The TSA can look at my Global Entry card or other State Department-issued ID but not my passport and preferably not my driving license either.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21955831)
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Originally Posted by mkjr validly issue government issued photo ID is very important and very valuable. a passport in particular and to be honest, I do not trust TSA staff. [i mean probably more valuable than a bloody tablet that if they stole it, many would call the cops and think nothing about calling it theft.] That is in large part part of the reason why I don't show my passports to the TSA even when some TSA employees demand them. I'm usually only 30 minutes to 72 hours from an international trip and losing a passport with visas is a risk I'd rather reduce. The TSA can look at my Global Entry card or other State Department-issued ID but not my passport and preferably not my driving license either. |
I give up. If people can't see the ridiculousness of causing a big stink, calling 911 and otherwise acting like a child, because he didnt want to utter his own damn name, then I guess I'm not going to be the one to convince you. The hatred of TSA here has clouded the fact that this behavior was ridiculous.
I wish flyer talk had never linked to this on their front page. Then I would have never come across this crackpot forum. I'm out.... |
Originally Posted by roachjl
(Post 21954842)
I stand by my original statement: OP's travel was not restricted at all. He had every right to not say another word, leave the area and find alternative means of transport to his destination.
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Originally Posted by roachjl
(Post 21956071)
I give up. If people can't see the ridiculousness of causing a big stink, calling 911 and otherwise acting like a child, because he didnt want to utter his own damn name, then I guess I'm not going to be the one to convince you. The hatred of TSA here has clouded the fact that this behavior was ridiculous.
I wish flyer talk had never linked to this on their front page. Then I would have never come across this crackpot forum. I'm out.... |
Originally Posted by theddo
(Post 21955052)
That would be the definition of larceny, not theft. Theft it still with intent to deprive the rightful owner of his ownership, which isn't at all clear from the post anyone tried to do.
Definitely I'm not. I can just note that El Al seem to have a procedure that in Europe at least includes more in depth questionings than do the TSA and people are required to answer them and their job is to assess people. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 21955932)
I recently got a new retired military ID that doesn't have my SSN on it. I may start using it for the simple fact that it's illegal to make a photocopy sod a U.S military ID except for a few specific reasons - TSA interrogation not being one of them.
Got a cite for it being illegal to copy the card? |
I am just curious about the following. What if you are a foreigner and refuse to say your name.
TSA will not let you go. How does that work with immigration? Will those 2 have a power struggle between them?:confused: |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 21956446)
I am just curious about the following. What if you are a foreigner and refuse to say your name.
TSA will not let you go. How does that work with immigration? Will those 2 have a power struggle between them?:confused: |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21956307)
The new ones also have an expiration date instead of indef that was on the old ones.
Got a cite for it being illegal to copy the card? Generally, you should not allow your military ID to be copied because it is prohibited by law under 18 U.S.C. § 701. However, you can allow a state or federal agency to copy your military ID in some circumstances. Government agencies may make copies of federal government ID cards for authorized purposes. These agencies are authorized to do so by law and pursuant to their duty to protect information in accordance with government regulation. Examples of authorized purposes for government agencies include verification of TriCare eligibility, official use by police, verification of eligibility for Veteran’s Administration benefits or services, or verification of military or dependant status for tax purposes. § 701. Official badges, identification cards, other insignia Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge, identification card, or other insignia, of the design prescribed by the head of any department or agency of the United States for use by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia, or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. Medical establishments, such as doctors' offices or hospitals, are exempt from this regulation and may make a photocopy of the I.D. for the purpose of filing insurance claims. Other government agencies can also make copies in the interest of conducting official government business. Regardless, armed with the CFR paragraph by number, I would love to challenge them some day. Do a Google search on "copying military id cards illegal" and tons of hits come up. FYI, I also have an expiration date on my, which coincides with my 65th birthday. My guess is that, since you can't be recalled to active duty when you're older than 65 (except in very rare cases), you might be in a different Geneva Convention category. Other have speculated to me that it might be DEERS-related. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21956532)
Just my opinion but I would comply with such request when in a country other than mine.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 21956604)
Me, too. When I'm a foreigner, I play their game. When I'm at home, it's a different ballgame.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 21956647)
"You're in MY house!" (to TSA) :D
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 21956594)
I did a quick internet search. Here is a memo from the JAG's office at Fort Bliss. Relevant part includes:
I dug deeper and pulled up the referenced CFR pargraph. My former service is a bit more wishy-washy about the legality of a government entity making a copy: I haven't seen any supporting evidence allowing ANY government agency to copy a military ID for ANY purpose. Regardless, armed with the CFR paragraph by number, I would love to challenge them some day. Do a Google search on "copying military id cards illegal" and tons of hits come up. FYI, I also have an expiration date on my, which coincides with my 65th birthday. My guess is that, since you can't be recalled to active duty when you're older than 65 (except in very rare cases), you might be in a different Geneva Convention category. Other have speculated to me that it might be DEERS-related. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21956532)
Just my opinion but I would comply with such request when in a country other than mine.
Does anyone really think that TSA trains their personnel on how names are pronounced in different languages? |
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