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lovely15 Nov 25, 2012 7:29 pm

They were playing the destination at DFW (of all places) the other day. My husband looked at the TDC, looked back at me, and said, "I really am not sure, she bought the ticket."

FearFree Nov 26, 2012 11:56 am


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 19731496)
I got a new variation on Wednesday: "State your final destination."
This was at Seattle/Tacoma, where anyone can use any checkpoint. The lines were extremely long at 5:00 am, and it was 100% backscatter.

Did you reply with "6 ft under, but hopefully not today" or some similar statement? I wonder how they'd respond.

FXWizard Nov 26, 2012 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by FearFree (Post 19747927)
Did you reply with "6 ft under, but hopefully not today" or some similar statement? I wonder how they'd respond.

They'd probably treat it as a threat, no matter how nicely it was said.:rolleyes:

WilcoRoger Nov 28, 2012 1:38 am


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 19731496)
I got a new variation on Wednesday: "State your final destination."

To quote George Cartlin

"All destinations are final! That's what it means, destiny - final"

WilcoRoger Nov 28, 2012 1:39 am


Originally Posted by TheRoadie (Post 19733743)
"Sorry, I'm not allowed to share that. The *airport* I'm going to is [pointing to the BP] right there."

"If I told you I 'd have to kill you" :D

TheGolfWidow Nov 28, 2012 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by Mats
I got a new variation on Wednesday: "State your final destination."
"Your final destination."

aamilesslave Dec 1, 2012 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 19521486)
It could be worse. You could have a name like Michael Bolton ... ;) :D

It was fine until that no-talent a$$ clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

FlyingHoustonian Dec 1, 2012 8:11 pm


Originally Posted by aamilesslave (Post 19779187)
It was fine until that no-talent a$$ clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

great flick LOL

MB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY&feature=plcp

GUWonder Dec 2, 2012 1:46 am

I was talking to a multilingual, multinational person around Thanksgiving weekend and we noticed that the individual pronounced the names differently depending on the audience. Not only does the individual have different ways to pronounce the individual's own name, the individual also has substantively different names in different governmental documents because of different naming standards/rules/traditions in different jurisdictions of relevance to the individual. This individual is not unique. A lot of US-only citizens who are the child of one or more foreign parents have done much the same thing when it comes to verbally articulating names or even in terms of how they refer to themselves in written/typed form.

Pesky Monkey Dec 4, 2012 7:21 pm


Originally Posted by aamilesslave (Post 19779187)
It was fine until that no-talent a$$ clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

Great movie to watch on a plane. :p

Upgraded! Dec 18, 2012 8:26 am

Real reason for "name game"?
 
This just occurred to me, is there any chance the real reason behind the name game is getting people to open their mouths? As ridiculous as the whole thing sounds, is it possible that this is what has motivated it in the first place (open your mouth to see if anything falls out or there is anything obstructing speech)?

lovely15 Dec 18, 2012 8:52 am

I think there are easier places to hide a bomb.

WindOfFreedom Dec 18, 2012 10:16 am


Originally Posted by lovely15 (Post 19879164)
I think there are easier places to hide a bomb.

and I've known a few people to talk out of that location, as well.

WillCAD Dec 19, 2012 5:07 am

No, the real reason for the name game is actually its stated purpose - to try to trip up people who are attempting to transit a c/p with false documents, on the assumption that people with false documents will be so flustered, so incompetent, so stupid that they will automatically say their real name instead of the fake name on the fake documents, thus revealing potential "security threats" at the TDC. It was done in response to the Nigerian guy who was able to get into the sterile area using old, invalid BPs, many of which didn't have his name on them and didn't match his ID, and stow away on aircraft.

When he was caught, TSA was embarrassed - after all, their TDCs have one job, and one job only - to compare the name on the ID with the name on the BP. If they match, person goes through. If they don't match, person does not go through. Simple, right? Except their TDCs consistently missed the Nigerian guy, and he got through security many times. When he was caught, the public also reacted with their usual stupidity - "What if he was a TERRORIST?!" (For the record, the guy was still screened by all of the same methods TSA uses, rendering him no more threatening than any other passenger; he was simply in the sterile area without authorization).

So, to cover their embarrassment and prove that they were "doing something", TSA started forcing people to state their names aloud, to the same bored, apathetic TDCs who let the Nigerian guy go through in the first place. Now the TDCs have not one, but TWO jobs - compare the name on the BP with the name on the ID and the spoken name, and look at the passenger when they speak the name aloud to discover any possible hesitation that would suggest duplicity.

And yes, I agree that it is the most idiotic idea the TSA has ever put forth.

InkUnderNails Dec 19, 2012 6:17 am


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 19885145)
And yes, I agree that it is the most idiotic idea the TSA has ever put forth.

There are many competitors in that contest:

Gate checks
Liquid strip checks
Show BP to Scanner/WTMD operator
Chat downs
Stare downs
PIPI's (related but different)
Photography bans
ETD alarm resolution straight to grope rather than machine double check
Excessive cash determinations
Seeking items outside WEI

There are also the ones that occur due to not following policy and making it up as they go:

Medicinal practice
Advice on RF dangers
Searching and reading papers
Going through wallets
Recording ones information on a secret list
Retaliation gropes
Non-acceptance of acceptable ID's
Non-allowance though security because 12:15 a.m. flight is the next day
Clumsy clearing of medical devices
General ignorance of their own SOP
Voluntary surrender of acceptable items just because they can
DYW2FT?

Then there are the ones that may not have seemed idiotic at first but may have proven themselves to be so by their lack of results yet continue anyway:

The war on liquids
Shoe carnival
The undefinable in or out electronic item
Belts off
War on skirts
The dangerous underwire bra
The wheelchair gropes
Separating parents from children

There are more, but I get irritated just thinking about it.


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