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Originally Posted by Vidiot
(Post 19573084)
Not to derail from an already-derailed thread, but as far as I know the big-box warehouse-club-type stores include compliance with receipt checks as part of their membership agreements. (I know my Costco membership agreement includes this, but I haven't checked terms for BJ's, Sam's, etc.)
I certainly don't comply with receipt checks in any other store (Best Buy people, especially, get really agitated and have come close to threatening or assaulting me) but I do play along at Costco since I've already agreed to. |
Originally Posted by stifle
(Post 19574177)
Seeing as we're already derailed... most Australian stores have a notice up saying "it is a condition of entry that you present your bags for inspection on leaving the store".
As the poster who originally brought up Costco correctly points out, the reason they can get away with it there is that it's technically a private club and you've already agreed to it when you signed the membership agreement. |
Originally Posted by Penntraveler2001
(Post 19572101)
The agents at SFO ask for your name. It was explained to me that the agents are required to ask for the passenger's name as this is a requirement of the independent security company that manages the SFO gates (I only fly United out of SFO, so I don't know if the other terminals do the same). I have a number of issues with this.
... 2) Major concern that there is no consistency across all airports with the way that the TSA handles security checkpoints. All checkpoints should be handled exactly the same to ensure proper procedures are followed and that the checkpoint is in fact secure. ... I love this response and will use it: "out of an abundance of caution and for security reasons, I don't say my name in public while traveling". Looking forward to see what the TSA has to say next time I fly. I fly out of SFO a lot, but usually T2, and they do the same thing there. The only times I've pushed back on this demand I was threatened with "DYWFT," but that was a few years ago. I complained to a supervisor afterward and then was threatened with the "give me your boarding pass so we can document this" shake down. While I agree with your point #2 above, the TSA's argument is that inconsistent security (or "unpredictable" as they call it) makes it harder to find the holes. I think in actuality annoying and inconveniencing the traveling public is all it accomplishes. When you try your response at SFO, would be great if you'd follow up and post what happens. The name game bothers me but I've typically just found it more fun to read my name off my boarding pass in an obvious manner. I'd certainly love to have other options in case I get bored of that one. |
Originally Posted by Vidiot
(Post 19573084)
Not to derail from an already-derailed thread, but as far as I know the big-box warehouse-club-type stores include compliance with receipt checks as part of their membership agreements. (I know my Costco membership agreement includes this, but I haven't checked terms for BJ's, Sam's, etc.)
I certainly don't comply with receipt checks in any other store (Best Buy people, especially, get really agitated and have come close to threatening or assaulting me) but I do play along at Costco since I've already agreed to. Slightly different issue than the TSA name game.. |
Originally Posted by UshuaiaHammerfest
(Post 19575612)
I fly out of SFO a lot, but usually T2, and they do the same thing there. The only times I've pushed back on this demand I was threatened with "DYWFT," but that was a few years ago. I complained to a supervisor afterward and then was threatened with the "give me your boarding pass so we can document this" shake down.
While I agree with your point #2 above, the TSA's argument is that inconsistent security (or "unpredictable" as they call it) makes it harder to find the holes. I think in actuality annoying and inconveniencing the traveling public is all it accomplishes. When you try your response at SFO, would be great if you'd follow up and post what happens. The name game bothers me but I've typically just found it more fun to read my name off my boarding pass in an obvious manner. I'd certainly love to have other options in case I get bored of that one. Me: "are you getting pre-check here soon?" TDC: "I'm not sure. We have CLEAR. Aren't they the same?" Me: "No, with pre-check you keep your shoes on and laptop in the bag." TDC: "oh. Have a nice flight." No idea if it was on account of my Nexus card, or just being nice and conversational with the TDC, but no name game was played. |
Originally Posted by Neutron Star
(Post 19576117)
No idea if it was on account of my Nexus card, or just being nice and conversational with the TDC, but no name game was played.
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Originally Posted by UshuaiaHammerfest
(Post 19576313)
There have been a few times where they haven't asked me, but I always assume they just forgot to ask, but I've never tried using a trusted traveler ID so maybe they automatically relax a little when they see one these days.
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Originally Posted by fiddlestickies
(Post 19549912)
I said that in my experience 95% have been professional, and perhaps the reason for that is my attitude of not trying to make their lives difficult by not making a huge scene when they ask me my name...
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 19549976)
When the TSA LTSO at DFW asked me to state my name and I politely pointed out that it was on both the boarding pass and ID. I further asked why he was asking that. Was that being a jerk? I think not. The jerk in that case was the DFW TSA LTSO who became so angry I thought he was about to strike me. Complaints to TSA at both DFW and HQ were never even responded to.
Originally Posted by Penntraveler2001
(Post 19572101)
So, I think this is an interesting thread as a good friend of mine and frequent traveler often have this conversation. The agents at SFO ask for your name. It was explained to me that the agents are required to ask for the passenger's name as this is a requirement of the independent security company that manages the SFO gates (I only fly United out of SFO, so I don't know if the other terminals do the same). I have a number of issues with this.
Originally Posted by UshuaiaHammerfest
(Post 19576313)
There have been a few times where they haven't asked me, but I always assume they just forgot to ask, but I've never tried using a trusted traveler ID so maybe they automatically relax a little when they see one these days.
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
(Post 19592277)
PM me if you want a direct contact for DFW. |
Originally Posted by CDKing
(Post 19590334)
I've had say your name at BOS right after showing my GE card and getting 3 beeps on the BP scan. At YUM on Saturday they were playing the game as well with everyone including me when showing GE card.
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I have always just said my name when asked. But I'm very curious to know how they handle situations involving people who are unable to hear and/or speak. So, next time, when I approach the podium, I may try to have the nerve to do this: Look directly at the screener's mouth. When I'm asked for my name, point to my ear and shake my head no. And then wait.
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Originally Posted by TheGolfWidow
(Post 19595672)
I have always just said my name when asked. But I'm very curious to know how they handle situations involving people who are unable to hear and/or speak. So, next time, when I approach the podium, I may try to have the nerve to do this: Look directly at the screener's mouth. When I'm asked for my name, point to my ear and shake my head no. And then wait.
I have learned to cope partially by anticipation. There are questions that are expected and I readily discern them and answer them. Things like "What is a NEXUS?" at the TDC and "What kind of tools are these?" at the bag check. Unanticipated questions are much more difficult. I was once asked to state my name, at least I thought later after some contemplation that this is what the question likely was. My answer in a nice tone was "I'm sorry, I do not understand what you are asking," and "I really do not hear very good, what are you asking again?" After four times the magic squiggle and a go. They have no realization of the problems of the non-English speaker or the deaf. Some do not care and it is your problem for being different. Some are willing to make accommodation. Some just give up. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 19596723)
Some do not care and it is your problem for being different. Some are willing to make accommodation. Some just give up.
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 19592482)
Thanks for the offer. I communicated with the DFW FSD, AFSD, & CSR. None of these TSA government employees seem to think they have to answer to the public. TSA at DFW is the poster child for what is wrong with the entire agency.
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Originally Posted by TheGolfWidow
(Post 19595672)
I have always just said my name when asked. But I'm very curious to know how they handle situations involving people who are unable to hear and/or speak. So, next time, when I approach the podium, I may try to have the nerve to do this: Look directly at the screener's mouth. When I'm asked for my name, point to my ear and shake my head no. And then wait.
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