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Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 18857215)
So the supervisor at the first terminal lied to a passenger. And will face no repercussions for having done so.
Wonderful. |
Originally Posted by dan1431
(Post 18842570)
Somehow I doubt when this "measure" was rolled out that constitutional clauses were given much consideration.
This was probably made by a mid-level TSA bureaucrat who probably never thought about the legal ramifications of this measure, it seemed simple enough to him/her and therefor picked a few airports to test it. It probably went something like this, there was a meeting where TSA/DHS bureaucrats were discussing the guy going through (I think it was a LAX)a TSA checkpoint with boarding passes not matching his name, hmmm how can we ensure that does not happen again?????? A mid-level bureaucrat jumps up and says, "Wait, I got it! let's have the passengers say their names to ensure that their BPs belong to them." There was mass applause to this bureaucrat's idea and they decided to slowly roll it out as a test to a few airport to measure the reaction and judge it effectiveness. After all, The U.S. gov't loves metrics and the Saying Your Name Test's effectiveness is just another metric to measure. I think we are giving DHS/TSA too much credit by even bringing up constitutional clauses, I am fairly sure the thought process never got that far. They probably feel it is up to their legal department to justify the action if it is ever challenged and if legal says to drop it, it would probably just fade away into the night and the only people to notice the change (for the better) would be us FTers. Though, most likely legal would fight it, probably citing some sort of SSI or other reasoning why it should not even make it to court. Just saying, Dan |
Originally Posted by cynicAAl
(Post 18857975)
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 18856110)
I then walked over to Terminal 2, where I smiled at the supervisor from airside. What a day!!!Bruce
She made a very exaggerated show of sticking her security badge in front of my face, basically daring me to make an incident of it. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 18858810)
You neglected to include that the mid-level bureaucrat that came up with the idea most likely received an invention or performance award for their idea.
Dan |
Name pronunciations
This video pretty much sums it up.
Skip ahead to 1:10 for the most relevant bit, though all of it is worth watching. |
Name game has reached FNT
Went through FNT today. TDC was asking all pax to state his/her name. First time I've seen this here.
I told TDC that my name was on my ID. She said, "it's our policy that we ask everyone to state their name." I said, "a new policy, eh? No." She again asked me to state my name, and I said, "no I won't say my name." She called a 2-striper supervisor over. The supervisor looked at my BP and ID, and then told her to let me continue. I did not say my name, and I didn't have retaliatory screening. |
Originally Posted by andymo99
(Post 18865668)
This video pretty much sums it up.
Skip ahead to 1:10 for the most relevant bit, though all of it is worth watching. |
I wonder what would happen if someone refused to say their name but offered a second form of ID (like sometimes required to purchase liquor). Seems reasonable enough...I mean it serves the same purpose
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Originally Posted by jco613
(Post 19169311)
I wonder what would happen if someone refused to say their name but offered a second form of ID (like sometimes required to purchase liquor). Seems reasonable enough...I mean it serves the same purpose
Personal experience. |
Requirement for speaking your name?
Over the past year I've seen that passengers are required to speak their first and last names at the initial checkpoint when presenting their ID and boarding pass. This does absolutely nothing to add security, and I've gone through saying a different name than my own (Emmanuel Goldstein, from Orwell's 1984). The only thing this did was to add a few minutes before I went through the checkpoint.
It does anger me that we're continually told to do more in the name of fake security. What is the actual requirement? I've read though the ID requirement thread, and that discussion doesn't mention the verbal requirement. If I go through the check point and refuse to speak my name after presenting ID, can they deny me travel? It's not as if I'm not proving my identity. |
Here's a long thread on it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...try-today.html But I really wanted to reply simply to say I'm stealing the Emmanuel Goldstein idea. |
Originally Posted by lovely15
(Post 19516560)
Here's a long thread on it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...try-today.html But I really wanted to reply simply to say I'm stealing the Emmanuel Goldstein idea. It's written on the boarding pass. Clerk said: You have to say your name. I said: Oh, you can't read? Then repeated my name slowly. Last time, I presented my Nexus card, got the request to say my name, and read it off my driver's license. When I get time I'm going to photoshop a stack of boarding passes, with names like John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Hugh Jass, I. P. Freeley, etc., and mix the real boarding pass in there, and then sort through the stack in front of the boarding pass clerk |
Originally Posted by nycedwardd
(Post 19513026)
Over the past year I've seen that passengers are required to speak their first and last names at the initial checkpoint when presenting their ID and boarding pass. This does absolutely nothing to add security, and I've gone through saying a different name than my own (Emmanuel Goldstein, from Orwell's 1984). The only thing this did was to add a few minutes before I went through the checkpoint.
It does anger me that we're continually told to do more in the name of fake security. What is the actual requirement? I've read though the ID requirement thread, and that discussion doesn't mention the verbal requirement. If I go through the check point and refuse to speak my name after presenting ID, can they deny me travel? It's not as if I'm not proving my identity. |
I used to challenge the TDC on the "you must state your name or you won't fly today" issue, and then I decided it was more fun to very obviously read it off my boarding pass or ID (usually while whispering). I've done this multiple times and never had an issue. Usually I get a smile from the TDC. (Some here will disagree, but I think there are plenty of TSOs who believe TSA rules are ridiculous.)
I like the Emmanuel Goldstein idea, though another poster here told a story of being denied entry when they gave a false name, despite arguing that nobody can tell anyone how their name is to be pronounced. |
At the airports where it is required it is intended as a "punishment" of the TSA, not the passengers. It means they failed an inspection of how well they compare the id to the BP. So someone came up with the idea that if the clerks are required to ask the name of the passenger they will pay more attention. So I just say "Gee, I am surprised that a good location like this one flunked the last inspection. And my last name is pronounced "Code Bravo.""
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