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If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:

CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
  1. Did you transfer UR points to someone with a different address? Different last name?
  2. Did you sell UR points to someone?
  3. Approximately what percentage of your charges earned less than 5x points in the past 12 months?
  4. Did a Chase or non-Chase bank recently close one of your credit cards?
  5. Are you using up a large percentage of your credit line on all Chase and non-Chase credit cards?
  6. Is your total credit line with Chase much higher than with other banks?
  7. Did you apply for many credit cards or other forms of credit in the past 2 months? ("Many" may be hard to define.)
  8. If you have a Chase checking account how much did you typically deposit in money orders per month, if any?
  9. Did you recently start spending a lot more with Chase than in typical months?
  10. Is your monthly balance frequently close to your credit limit?
  11. Approximately what percentage of spending was on gift cards this year?
  12. How much of your bill do you typically pay using WM or KMart bill payment if any?
  13. Do you have a Chase mortgage or other account that might be profitable to Chase?
  14. Has your credit score or credit profile changed recently? As in: significantly more debt, more open credit lines, or a large drop in your credit score?
Related threads: 2013.1 2013.4
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html

On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.

Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:

001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by mia
However, an issuer could shutdown a business card for personal use if they chose: you agree that the card is being used only for business purposes and that the card is being issued to a public or private company including a sole proprietor or employees or contractors of an organization. In practice issuers have not enforced this because they prefer to issue business accounts, but they could and would if pressed by their regulators.
I disagree that this could be a potential avenue for shutdown. The language you cited exists to protect Chase since business cards are not required to provide the same consumer protections that personal cards do. Regardless of this, my point is that the issuer can't distinguish between business and personal expenses. It's up to me as the business owner to decide what my business will pay for on behalf of myself or my employees.
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by pallhedge
.... language you cited exists to protect Chase since business cards are not required to provide the same consumer protections....
We agree on the facts, but not their significance. At some point a consumer, or group of consumers, will assert that an issuer misled them by inducing them to open business card accounts to evade consumer protection legislation, and in the expensive aftermath the issuers will audit existing accounts to ferret out those that are not being used as intended. They will employ an algorithm. We won't agree with it, but it won't matter because they can close any account for no specific reason.

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Old Jun 6, 2018, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by jay_days2000
I have 3 chase personal cards (1 chase slate, 1 Southwest visa and, 1 Amazon Prime). Chase closed the Slate and Southwest cards stating "rewards misuse." I'll admit that I collect a ton of cash back on the Amazon Prime card but I don't collect any on the slate or southwest. Chase closed the ones that I don't collect any rewards on. Do you guys think I should fight for the closed accounts? Will I have any success theoretically? I have had both sense '01, and generally keep a low balance on both. It sucks to loose that history but I'm not hurting by it. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
You can fight or better yet, persuade, to reinstate your closed accounts, no one can prevent you from doing that. Whether you'll succeed or not, will depend on your conversation with them but keep in mind that ANY bank reserves the right to close accounts for whatever reasons known only to them. Just know that if you file a complaint to CFPB, it'll not give you better chances of reinstatement if you have accepted the CC's TOS regarding their right to close accounts. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by jay_days2000
Please direct me to correct area if I have made a mistake.

Hello all,

I have 3 chase personal cards (1 chase slate, 1 Southwest visa and, 1 Amazon Prime). Chase closed the Slate and Southwest cards stating "rewards misuse." I'll admit that I collect a ton of cash back on the Amazon Prime card but I don't collect any on the slate or southwest. Chase closed the ones that I don't collect any rewards on. Do you guys think I should fight for the closed accounts? Will I have any success theoretically? I have had both sense '01, and generally keep a low balance on both. It sucks to loose that history but I'm not hurting by it. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
I would contact them if "rewards misuse" didn't happen (MS, selling points, .....). And isn't cash back on the Amazon the main reason to have it? If you spend a lot on Amazon lets say 500 a month then you would get $300 cash back per year. Or do you use Amazon to MS (buying GC etc.)
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by jay_days2000
.... closed the Slate and Southwest cards stating "rewards misuse."...
Did you use these cards when they were new to take advantage of low cost balance transfer or new account bonus, and then stop using them completely?
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
I don't want to start an off-topic debate, but banks can make a hard pull of existing customers' credit at any time for any reason.
Hard pulls are initiated when someone applies for a line of credit, a checking account, or for another type of credit.

A bank must tell you when they're going to hard pull your credit information, as in the case of Charles Schwab's checking account.

A bank can surely conduct a hard pull without your permission... But that's called fraud because the consumer did not agree to such a pull.

Just stop.
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by jay_days2000
Please direct me to correct area if I have made a mistake.

Hello all,

I have 3 chase personal cards (1 chase slate, 1 Southwest visa and, 1 Amazon Prime). Chase closed the Slate and Southwest cards stating "rewards misuse." I'll admit that I collect a ton of cash back on the Amazon Prime card but I don't collect any on the slate or southwest. Chase closed the ones that I don't collect any rewards on. Do you guys think I should fight for the closed accounts? Will I have any success theoretically? I have had both sense '01, and generally keep a low balance on both. It sucks to loose that history but I'm not hurting by it. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
At least you were not shut down/ blacklisted by Chase otherwise the Amazon card would have been closed too. Banks close old lines after non use (which sounds like happened here). But the "rewards misuse" doesn't fit .... very weird
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by pallhedge
I disagree that this could be a potential avenue for shutdown. The language you cited exists to protect Chase since business cards are not required to provide the same consumer protections that personal cards do. Regardless of this, my point is that the issuer can't distinguish between business and personal expenses. It's up to me as the business owner to decide what my business will pay for on behalf of myself or my employees.
This is true, but only to an extent. If a person tells Chase they have a $3,000/year eBay business but then a $5,000 charge from a strip club shows up, that's quite obviously not a business expense.

Originally Posted by mikesyr18
Hard pulls are initiated when someone applies for a line of credit, a checking account, or for another type of credit.

A bank must tell you when they're going to hard pull your credit information, as in the case of Charles Schwab's checking account.

A bank can surely conduct a hard pull without your permission... But that's called fraud because the consumer did not agree to such a pull.

Just stop.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. But that's okay — on this topic, most people don't.

(Hint: I didn't say random banks could pull people's credit; I said a person's existing banks could pull their credit.)
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 2:23 pm
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I make all of my purchases on Amazon.
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Mamibear
You can fight or better yet, persuade, to reinstate your closed accounts, no one can prevent you from doing that. Whether you'll succeed or not, will depend on your conversation with them but keep in mind that ANY bank reserves the right to close accounts for whatever reasons known only to them. Just know that if you file a complaint to CFPB, it'll not give you better chances of reinstatement if you have accepted the CC's TOS regarding their right to close accounts. Good luck!
Originally Posted by blitzen
I would contact them if "rewards misuse" didn't happen (MS, selling points, .....). And isn't cash back on the Amazon the main reason to have it? If you spend a lot on Amazon lets say 500 a month then you would get $300 cash back per year. Or do you use Amazon to MS (buying GC etc.)
Originally Posted by mia
Did you use these cards when they were new to take advantage of low cost balance transfer or new account bonus, and then stop using them completely?
Originally Posted by mia
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How do you use the Amazon card? Purchases on Amazon or elsewhere?
Originally Posted by blitzen
At least you were not shut down/ blacklisted by Chase otherwise the Amazon card would have been closed too. Banks close old lines after non use (which sounds like happened here). But the "rewards misuse" doesn't fit .... very weird
Mia, I only use my card on Amazon.

Blitzen, I do use the card to purchase Amazon gift cards, so if that's a problem I'm guilty. Its just weird that they would cancel my none reward cards. I keep a low 100 balance on the slate. I have a 5k balance on the Southwest and use both often.

Mamibear, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it greatly.

Bear with me guys, I wasn't sure my post was created yesterday and I'm trying to figure out the multi-quote system. Thanks for your time.
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by blitzen

so just normal spend

you can get 5% without Chase too
I have one of those cards as well so its not a big deal in the grand scheme. Its just a shock to lose 18k in credit without notice.
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jay_days2000
I have one of those cards as well so its not a big deal in the grand scheme. Its just a shock to lose 18k in credit without notice.
and closed by issuer which could be a red flag next time someone pulls you credit and looks deeper (beside the drop in credit score related to the closure).
call the executive office to see what a human thinks about the decision the algorithm made
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 3:28 pm
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I will do, I'll update with results soon. Thanks
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
If a person tells Chase they have a $3,000/year eBay business but then a $5,000 charge from a strip club shows up, that's quite obviously not a business expense.
Actually, it would be quite obvious to me that this person is entertaining a prospective high revenue client. Perhaps they are starting a new business venture.
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