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Surprised to see CSX being reinstated by CX itself, not UO (guess using UO will not be pleasant for transit pax), and this early (Nov 4th) as well. It was basically the former KA slots.
HKG–CSX: CX968 0915–1050 (246); CX920 1930–2105 (1357) | CSX–HKG: CX927 1305–1445 (246); CX943 2210–2350 (1357) Source: Cathay Instagram and "MarketScreener" |
Originally Posted by APACCommuter
(Post 37344559)
Surprised to see CSX being reinstated by CX itself, not UO (guess using UO will not be pleasant for transit pax), and this early (Nov 4th) as well. It was basically the former KA slots.
HKG–CSX: CX968 0915–1050 (246); CX920 1930–2105 (1357) | CSX–HKG: CX927 1305–1445 (246); CX943 2210–2350 (1357) Source: Cathay Instagram and "MarketScreener" |
I've always thought TPE, KHH, CAN, XMN, FOC, PEK, PVG, BKK, SIN, MNL were the "hinterland" routes, as in any long haul flights could connect to them regardless of the time of the day.
CSX, WUH, CGO were always a bit of an inshallah. But looks like there will be a few connection opportunities with this reinstated service too. |
Originally Posted by A35J
(Post 37345676)
I've always thought TPE, KHH, CAN, XMN, FOC, PEK, PVG, BKK, SIN, MNL were the "hinterland" routes, as in any long haul flights could connect to them regardless of the time of the day.
CSX, WUH, CGO were always a bit of an inshallah. But looks like there will be a few connection opportunities with this reinstated service too. |
Originally Posted by A35J
(Post 37341703)
If we look at the original Hong Kong - Canada bilateral, 5th freedom is explicitly blocked until mutually agreed upon (Annex - Route Schedule, Section 1; https://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text...aspx?id=100212), though both parties seem to have updated the "Routes and Associated Rights" in an 2002 update, which is kept confidential (https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-agreement/hong-kong)
The Hong Kong - US bilateral explicitly allows 18 weekly frequencies with a stopover in Japan (capped at 7 for Tokyo and 4 for Osaka; https://2009-2017.state.gov/document...ion/130531.pdf), whereas stopover in Canada is allowed but had to be on a separately negotiated basis. Total wishful thinking on my side. I appreciate CX would rather do nonstop flights and charge a premium. Given the demand t/f Calgary (37k pax), Las Vegas (36k pax), Houston (38k pax), is it theoretically possible to run 3x weekly HKG-YYC-LAS and 3x weekly HKG-YYC-IAH? I'd like to think cargo light long haul routes should switch from a 359 to a 339 and eventually free up some much needed ULR jets Stopping in Canada isn't that simple as well because Canada doesn't have sterile transit. Back in the day, HKG-YVR-JFK pax couldn't even clear US immigration and customs in YVR, and YVR is better designed for this sort of thing than YYC (which doesn't have a segregated international departures section) to begin with. The 5th freedom segment likely wouldn't be very profitable either: YYC-IAH is not a large point-to-point market and CX would have much higher costs than WS and even UA; YYC-LAS is a bit larger (at least right now) but again CX wouldn't be particularly competitive with higher costs and limited frequencies compared to WS. It's also hard to see YYC-LAS/IAH faring better than YVR-JFK when the better product matters even less on a shorter flight. (Also, I can't see HKG-YYC justifying 6 frequencies a week.) |
Originally Posted by jonessher
(Post 37227418)
For me, yes i will. I will/ had travel in Russia and its not as scary as people thought. It's just inconvenience in terms of payment and occasional airport outage due to drone attacks.
It poses problems prob for Western travellors though. |
Rumours on local news are that CX intends to upgrade URC to a daily flight
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Originally Posted by percysmith
(Post 37366514)
Other than CX, FAA will continue to ban PRC-flagged carriers to overfly Eastern Russia (or is it more compliant now to say Russian East?) between China and US https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1CQhwMa8tw/
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Originally Posted by majorpuppy
(Post 37369352)
well CX's advantage would only get even bigger at this point. they have a huge east coast monopoly already
Or the HK government should provide full access to ME3 to start 5th freedom flights from HK since they have better fleet planning. |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 37369407)
CX needs planes urgently.
Or the HK government should provide full access to ME3 to start 5th freedom flights from HK since they have better fleet planning. A better question is whether SQ can reinstate SQ1/2 SIN-HKG-SFO route..... |
Originally Posted by kamchatsky
(Post 37369489)
A better question is whether SQ can reinstate SQ1/2 SIN-HKG-SFO route.....
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Originally Posted by kamchatsky
(Post 37369489)
Why would HK govt do this? Surely they would lock out other carriers to keep flight prices high so that CX can remain profitable.
A better question is whether SQ can reinstate SQ1/2 SIN-HKG-SFO route..... Time to open it right up so more competent players can establish themselves and return HKG back to what it was. |
Originally Posted by MeltingAlf
(Post 37369554)
SQ is also somewhat short of planes and the high-yielding part of HK's O/D market has cratered - I would be surprised if they did.
they not doing badly at all. CX is yet to overtake pre covid levels |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 37369572)
SQ is still a much larger airline than it was pre covid.
they not doing badly at all. CX is yet to overtake pre covid levels |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 37369572)
SQ is still a much larger airline than it was pre covid.
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