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YVR December 2022 snowstorm impact

Old Dec 20, 2022, 11:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Changeup2000
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...J4d3EyOD0SAggB

You may need to think creatively, but there seems to be a cheap option above.

Granted, it is F8, so there are chances they will mess up, but it appears to be the most reasonable option for your boys now. May need a positioning flight from YYZ/YTZ to YQG though.

Note: the link suggests a third party booking two separate tickets together, but you can also book individually with F8 directly, which may be preferable.
That's why I love this site. Train from Union to Windsor is basically same time as flying. Ironically the train will be the most expensive part. The hang up is that one boy doesn't have his passport on him (don't judge). Had considered SeaTac already, but nowhere near as sublime as that!!
If we can get them to YVR, I am considering swallowing the bullet for the 18hr round trip to drive them here.
I managed a 24th full fare back up but that was before I knew about the YYZ weather bomb inbound so it seems very tenuous.
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Old Dec 20, 2022, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by FlY2XS
That's why I love this site. Train from Union to Windsor is basically same time as flying. Ironically the train will be the most expensive part. The hang up is that one boy doesn't have his passport on him (don't judge). Had considered SeaTac already, but nowhere near as sublime as that!!
If we can get them to YVR, I am considering swallowing the bullet for the 18hr round trip to drive them here.
I managed a 24th full fare back up but that was before I knew about the YYZ weather bomb inbound so it seems very tenuous.
There are some less intensive driving solutions, but not sure they are materially better than driving to YVR. Just for your references:

via YQU: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
via YAA: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
also via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
also via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
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Old Dec 20, 2022, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by recreationaltimetraveller
That's a factor that hasn't really been discussed in this thread yet: Massive amounts of staff turnover at all levels of the company and airport authority since the pandemic, combined with one of the busiest travel weeks since 2019, with an already overwhelmed system (most flights already full), creating the perfect storm (pun intended) for a company that is woefully unprepared to handle this.
I would respect an airline and/or an airport that had the courage to simply come clean about that, and own it.

"Folks, first of all, yeah, this is definitely a big fat winter storm that's legitimately unusual for Vancouver to deal with, and pairing that with the busiest travel week in three years is a heck of a one-two punch. Second of all, let's be honest; we're taking the field short-handed right now in a rebuilding year. That's not to excuse it, just to call it what it is. Our people are busting their butts to get this resolved, but in all honesty it's going to take us a couple of days to dig through this one. That said, here are the concrete steps we and our partners are taking to address the problem, and here's our plan to get through it."

Instead, we get bland corporate platitudes "thanking us for our patience at this difficult time".

I have never met a single living human who feels better for hearing that kind of thing,
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by YOWgary
I would respect an airline and/or an airport that had the courage to simply come clean about that, and own it.

"Folks, first of all, yeah, this is definitely a big fat winter storm that's legitimately unusual for Vancouver to deal with, and pairing that with the busiest travel week in three years is a heck of a one-two punch. Second of all, let's be honest; we're taking the field short-handed right now in a rebuilding year. That's not to excuse it, just to call it what it is. Our people are busting their butts to get this resolved, but in all honesty it's going to take us a couple of days to dig through this one. That said, here are the concrete steps we and our partners are taking to address the problem, and here's our plan to get through it."

Instead, we get bland corporate platitudes "thanking us for our patience at this difficult time".

I have never met a single living human who feels better for hearing that kind of thing,
AC isnt the type of company that attracts people like this, and I doubt the company culture and policies encourage employees to behave like this.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by songsc
AC isn’t the type of company that attracts people like this, and I doubt the company culture and policies encourage employees to behave like this.
I didn't interpret the comments made by YOWgary to apply to just to AC, but rather the YVR administration.

As others have observed, YVR collects the AIF for something, and most of us would prefer that it was for more than just nice lighting and dcor.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by Short hair Francis
Someone else might have a better memory than I, but didn't B6 strand a bunch of passengers for 9+ hrs at JFK or BOS due to a snowstorm in the last 10 yrs?
February 2007 around Valentine's Day/President's Day. It's what led to the US tarmac delay laws.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 7:37 am
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1
I didn't interpret the comments made by YOWgary to apply to just to AC, but rather the YVR administration.

As others have observed, YVR collects the AIF for something, and most of us would prefer that it was for more than just nice lighting and dcor.
I am not very familiar with YVR airport authority, so I only commented about AC. And yes, I agree that the AIF should be used on real airport improvements that prepare the airport for the future, not temporary shining looking things.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by songsc
I am not very familiar with YVR airport authority, so I only commented about AC. And yes, I agree that the AIF should be used on real airport improvements that prepare the airport for the future, not temporary shining looking things.
Big projects at YVR recently were international gate expansion (mostly done), new centralized utilities building/infrastructure (halted mid-construction due to COVID), plus associated parking/parkade changes.

Despite the excuses made - YVR (nor the BC provincial gov't and its highways contractor) doesn't appear to have anything remotely close to an adequate contingency plan for more than 5cm of snow in Metro Vancouver. (e.g can't disembark people from aircraft with busses at night because no lighting).
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:33 am
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Possible temporary banning of foreign airlines flights to YVR

I heard from a friend working at YVR related work about this. They allege YVR will be off limit for non-Canadian and non-US carriers for the next couple of days.

I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.

This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just no Asian flight in general.

If anyone can confirm thatll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by Changeup2000
I heard from a friend working at YVR related work about this. They allege YVR will be off limit for non-Canadian and non-US carriers for the next couple of days.

I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.

This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just “no Asian flight” in general.

If anyone can confirm that’ll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
NOTAM was issued earlier today:

C4215/22 NOTAMN A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300 E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING EMERG
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by aimango
Not sure how fast airports usually recover from winter storms.
In this case, the runways, a priority for clearing, were cleared and fully open by mid morning.
However open runways only get the plane on the ground, not to the gate.

Originally Posted by yulred
But its right up there with LHR 2010 in sheer chaos and (probable) incompetence. Perhaps worse; I dont recall people being stranded on planes for 5hr+ back then.

YVR management needs to lose this small town mentality if it wants to pretend to be a quality act. Maybe spend those AIFs on contingency planning, instead of gimmicky interiors.
This event makes the 7/31/17 YOW diversion look painless.
YVR is very image oriented. Millions spent on it every year.
Any money left in the budget is used for snow removal.


Originally Posted by painintheuk
Any reason not to show up at the airport tomorrow to see if someone doesn't show?
I am a huge fan of getting to the gate at all costs. During events like this there are always misconnects and people who can't get through long security lines.


Originally Posted by Speedbird84
What doesn't make sense is why multiple aircraft turned around to the gate after getting on the deice pad last night,
This is the Monday nights weather, starting at the bottom working up.
During moderate snow and low visibility at night, the deice fluid has no holdover time.
So back to the gate.
Now planes are back at the gate. There's to much snow to push them off the gate and no cleared parking areas to put the plane.

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CYVR 201236Z 11006KT 1/2SM R08L/6000FT/U R08R/P6000FT/U SN VV012 M08/M09 A3014 RMK SN8 SLP208
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Originally Posted by DrunkCargo
...., or if YVR has some kind of power hookup mid-tarmac?
No.
The planes were getting power from their APU's.
Flights will land at their destinations with enough fuel to fly for at least another hour.
That translates to 4 hours of engine run time on the ground. I don't know how much fuel an APU burns. Not to much in comparison to the engines.


Today's special NOTAM.
No international registered arrivals for anything bigger than a 737 until 5a.m. Friday morning.(C4215/22 NOTAMN

A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300

E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT

REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING

EMERG)
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by fly_yag
NOTAM was issued earlier today:

C4215/22 NOTAMN A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300 E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING EMERG
Thanks for confirmation. What do item B) and C) mean here?
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by Changeup2000
Thanks for confirmation. What do item B) and C) mean here?
Effective 7a.m. today until 5a.m. Friday.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by tracon
Effective 7a.m. today until 5a.m. Friday.
Got it. Suspecting it is some sort of time but did not realize it is UTC.
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Old Dec 21, 2022, 8:59 am
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Edit: Someone beat me to it.
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