YVR December 2022 snowstorm impact
Dec 20, 2022, 11:16 pm
#151
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https://www.google.com/travel/flight...J4d3EyOD0SAggB
You may need to think creatively, but there seems to be a cheap option above.
Granted, it is F8, so there are chances they will mess up, but it appears to be the most reasonable option for your boys now. May need a positioning flight from YYZ/YTZ to YQG though.
Note: the link suggests a third party booking two separate tickets together, but you can also book individually with F8 directly, which may be preferable.
You may need to think creatively, but there seems to be a cheap option above.
Granted, it is F8, so there are chances they will mess up, but it appears to be the most reasonable option for your boys now. May need a positioning flight from YYZ/YTZ to YQG though.
Note: the link suggests a third party booking two separate tickets together, but you can also book individually with F8 directly, which may be preferable.
If we can get them to YVR, I am considering swallowing the bullet for the 18hr round trip to drive them here.
I managed a 24th full fare back up but that was before I knew about the YYZ weather bomb inbound so it seems very tenuous.
Dec 20, 2022, 11:42 pm
#152
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That's why I love this site. Train from Union to Windsor is basically same time as flying. Ironically the train will be the most expensive part. The hang up is that one boy doesn't have his passport on him (don't judge). Had considered SeaTac already, but nowhere near as sublime as that!!
If we can get them to YVR, I am considering swallowing the bullet for the 18hr round trip to drive them here.
I managed a 24th full fare back up but that was before I knew about the YYZ weather bomb inbound so it seems very tenuous.
If we can get them to YVR, I am considering swallowing the bullet for the 18hr round trip to drive them here.
I managed a 24th full fare back up but that was before I knew about the YYZ weather bomb inbound so it seems very tenuous.
via YQU: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
via YAA: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
also via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
also via YXJ: https://www.google.com/travel/flight...___AUABSAGYAQI
Dec 20, 2022, 11:53 pm
#153
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That's a factor that hasn't really been discussed in this thread yet: Massive amounts of staff turnover at all levels of the company and airport authority since the pandemic, combined with one of the busiest travel weeks since 2019, with an already overwhelmed system (most flights already full), creating the perfect storm (pun intended) for a company that is woefully unprepared to handle this.
"Folks, first of all, yeah, this is definitely a big fat winter storm that's legitimately unusual for Vancouver to deal with, and pairing that with the busiest travel week in three years is a heck of a one-two punch. Second of all, let's be honest; we're taking the field short-handed right now in a rebuilding year. That's not to excuse it, just to call it what it is. Our people are busting their butts to get this resolved, but in all honesty it's going to take us a couple of days to dig through this one. That said, here are the concrete steps we and our partners are taking to address the problem, and here's our plan to get through it."
Instead, we get bland corporate platitudes "thanking us for our patience at this difficult time".
I have never met a single living human who feels better for hearing that kind of thing,
Dec 21, 2022, 7:16 am
#154
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I would respect an airline and/or an airport that had the courage to simply come clean about that, and own it.
"Folks, first of all, yeah, this is definitely a big fat winter storm that's legitimately unusual for Vancouver to deal with, and pairing that with the busiest travel week in three years is a heck of a one-two punch. Second of all, let's be honest; we're taking the field short-handed right now in a rebuilding year. That's not to excuse it, just to call it what it is. Our people are busting their butts to get this resolved, but in all honesty it's going to take us a couple of days to dig through this one. That said, here are the concrete steps we and our partners are taking to address the problem, and here's our plan to get through it."
Instead, we get bland corporate platitudes "thanking us for our patience at this difficult time".
I have never met a single living human who feels better for hearing that kind of thing,
"Folks, first of all, yeah, this is definitely a big fat winter storm that's legitimately unusual for Vancouver to deal with, and pairing that with the busiest travel week in three years is a heck of a one-two punch. Second of all, let's be honest; we're taking the field short-handed right now in a rebuilding year. That's not to excuse it, just to call it what it is. Our people are busting their butts to get this resolved, but in all honesty it's going to take us a couple of days to dig through this one. That said, here are the concrete steps we and our partners are taking to address the problem, and here's our plan to get through it."
Instead, we get bland corporate platitudes "thanking us for our patience at this difficult time".
I have never met a single living human who feels better for hearing that kind of thing,
Dec 21, 2022, 7:24 am
#155
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As others have observed, YVR collects the AIF for something, and most of us would prefer that it was for more than just nice lighting and décor.
Dec 21, 2022, 7:35 am
#156
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Dec 21, 2022, 7:37 am
#157
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I didn't interpret the comments made by YOWgary to apply to just to AC, but rather the YVR administration.
As others have observed, YVR collects the AIF for something, and most of us would prefer that it was for more than just nice lighting and décor.
As others have observed, YVR collects the AIF for something, and most of us would prefer that it was for more than just nice lighting and décor.
Dec 21, 2022, 8:23 am
#158
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Despite the excuses made - YVR (nor the BC provincial gov't and its highways contractor) doesn't appear to have anything remotely close to an adequate contingency plan for more than 5cm of snow in Metro Vancouver. (e.g can't disembark people from aircraft with busses at night because no lighting).
Dec 21, 2022, 8:33 am
#159
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Possible temporary banning of foreign airlines flights to YVR
I heard from a friend working at YVR related work about this. They allege YVR will be off limit for non-Canadian and non-US carriers for the next couple of days.
I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.
This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just “no Asian flight” in general.
If anyone can confirm that’ll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.
This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just “no Asian flight” in general.
If anyone can confirm that’ll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
Dec 21, 2022, 8:40 am
#160
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I heard from a friend working at YVR related work about this. They allege YVR will be off limit for non-Canadian and non-US carriers for the next couple of days.
I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.
This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just “no Asian flight” in general.
If anyone can confirm that’ll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
I check the flight record and it appears most foreign carrier flights today are indeed canceled, including CX, BR, QR, NH, KE, AF, JL, NZ and 4Y. Interesting, a lone CA flight stays normal.
This being said, most of AC operated transpacific flights also got cancelled, so I am not sure whether it is the alleged ban or just “no Asian flight” in general.
If anyone can confirm that’ll be very helpful. Got a few friends stranded in Asia now
C4215/22 NOTAMN A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300 E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING EMERG
Dec 21, 2022, 8:41 am
#161
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In this case, the runways, a priority for clearing, were cleared and fully open by mid morning.
However open runways only get the plane on the ground, not to the gate.
This event makes the 7/31/17 YOW diversion look painless.
YVR is very image oriented. Millions spent on it every year.
Any money left in the budget is used for snow removal.
I am a huge fan of getting to the gate at all costs. During events like this there are always misconnects and people who can't get through long security lines.
This is the Monday nights weather, starting at the bottom working up.
During moderate snow and low visibility at night, the deice fluid has no holdover time.
So back to the gate.
Now planes are back at the gate. There's to much snow to push them off the gate and no cleared parking areas to put the plane.
No.
The planes were getting power from their APU's.
Flights will land at their destinations with enough fuel to fly for at least another hour.
That translates to 4 hours of engine run time on the ground. I don't know how much fuel an APU burns. Not to much in comparison to the engines.
Today's special NOTAM.
No international registered arrivals for anything bigger than a 737 until 5a.m. Friday morning.(C4215/22 NOTAMN
A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300
E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT
REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING
EMERG)
However open runways only get the plane on the ground, not to the gate.
But it’s right up there with LHR 2010 in sheer chaos and (probable) incompetence. Perhaps worse; I don’t recall people being stranded on planes for 5hr+ back then.
YVR management needs to lose this small town mentality if it wants to pretend to be a quality act. Maybe spend those AIFs on contingency planning, instead of gimmicky interiors.
YVR management needs to lose this small town mentality if it wants to pretend to be a quality act. Maybe spend those AIFs on contingency planning, instead of gimmicky interiors.
YVR is very image oriented. Millions spent on it every year.
Any money left in the budget is used for snow removal.
During moderate snow and low visibility at night, the deice fluid has no holdover time.
So back to the gate.
Now planes are back at the gate. There's to much snow to push them off the gate and no cleared parking areas to put the plane.
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The planes were getting power from their APU's.
Flights will land at their destinations with enough fuel to fly for at least another hour.
That translates to 4 hours of engine run time on the ground. I don't know how much fuel an APU burns. Not to much in comparison to the engines.
Today's special NOTAM.
No international registered arrivals for anything bigger than a 737 until 5a.m. Friday morning.(C4215/22 NOTAMN
A) CYVR B) 2212211500 C) 2212231300
E) ARR NOT AUTH FOR ACFT WITH WINGSPAN GREATER THAN 118FT NOT
REGISTERED IN CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EXCLUDING
EMERG)
Dec 21, 2022, 8:47 am
#162
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Thanks for confirmation. What do item B) and C) mean here?