Canada officials say vaxx req for visitors, random testing to end by 30 Sept.2022
Jul 17, 2021, 2:21 am
#1231
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One does not exclude the other. In my mind, something like this happened:
Angela: "Joe, we let Americans in, it's time you let us in again too."
Joe: "Okay, Angela, you are right. We'll open again for fully vaccinated friendlies."
Joe: "Hey Justin, we're going to open again to Europeans and Canadians next week. It would look pretty stupid if you didn't, given how you are ahead in vaccinations now."
Justin: "Hum... haw.... [speaks to election pollsters] okay, I guess opening is the lesser hit on my election chances."
Angela: "Joe, we let Americans in, it's time you let us in again too."
Joe: "Okay, Angela, you are right. We'll open again for fully vaccinated friendlies."
Joe: "Hey Justin, we're going to open again to Europeans and Canadians next week. It would look pretty stupid if you didn't, given how you are ahead in vaccinations now."
Justin: "Hum... haw.... [speaks to election pollsters] okay, I guess opening is the lesser hit on my election chances."
Jul 17, 2021, 6:30 am
#1232
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One does not exclude the other. In my mind, something like this happened:
Angela: "Joe, we let Americans in, it's time you let us in again too."
Joe: "Okay, Angela, you are right. We'll open again for fully vaccinated friendlies."
Joe: "Hey Justin, we're going to open again to Europeans and Canadians next week. It would look pretty stupid if you didn't, given how you are ahead in vaccinations now."
Justin: "Hum... haw.... [speaks to election pollsters] okay, I guess opening is the lesser hit on my election chances."
Angela: "Joe, we let Americans in, it's time you let us in again too."
Joe: "Okay, Angela, you are right. We'll open again for fully vaccinated friendlies."
Joe: "Hey Justin, we're going to open again to Europeans and Canadians next week. It would look pretty stupid if you didn't, given how you are ahead in vaccinations now."
Justin: "Hum... haw.... [speaks to election pollsters] okay, I guess opening is the lesser hit on my election chances."
Jul 17, 2021, 12:11 pm
#1234
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I know some of you have been frequent cross border travelers during these times, and wondered how you deal with closely spaced entries into Canada? I found that after arriving, the Arrivecan app keeps pinging me for updates/symptom reporting, which I gather I can ignore if I do not need to quarantine. However, I left Canada again shortly after my arrival, and then re-entered, so that the 2nd entry is within 14 days of the first. I found that I cannot tell ArriveCan that I had left Canada, nor can I tell it that I am entering again on a separate trip, and so I could not upload my new entry details into the app. In the end, I had to create a new account with a different email (and now they both ping me every day). I am now leaving yet again and re-entering, on what I think will be Day 14 of entry1, so I'm not sure if I will have to create yet another account. Is there some other workaround than keep creating more accounts?
Thank you for contacting the Public Health Agency of Canada regarding your departure from Canada—we have processed and updated your information accordingly and you will stop receiving COVID-19 compliance promotion and verification activities. Please be advised that it may take up 72 hours for this change to come into effect.
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Jul 17, 2021, 1:52 pm
#1235
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 376
I've been successful in getting ArriveCan notifications (and in the past, daily phone calls) to stop by using this contact form ("updating information after arriving into Canada"). I provided my name, passport number, and date of departure from Canada. It took about two days, but I ended up getting the following email response, after which I no longer got the daily emails. I can't confirm whether it "reset" ArriveCan to be able to register another trip though.
Jul 18, 2021, 6:58 am
#1237
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Just a few quick data points:
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
Jul 18, 2021, 7:17 am
#1238
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,190
Just a few quick data points:
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
Last edited by sydneyracquelle; Jul 18, 2021 at 9:08 am
Jul 18, 2021, 9:19 am
#1239
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 149
Just a few quick data points:
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
- If it's busy, the arrival process with Nexus at YYZ is a mess. The queue went back to the entry door to the customs hall, and was super slow. Used a machine, and then had to get back in the queue of all the people waiting to be screened. Took around 45 minutes to get through the border agent, definitely not a scalable process once more flights get back on the schedule. This was 5pm on Friday, coming off of a LH flight from FRA, but I was first off, so it was other flights ahead of me.
- Everything else was the same, except at exit, I was given a take home kit, no option offered to do it onsite. If you live in Toronto, the Uber process is very easy - I connected to a nurse as soon as I arrived home, did the test and the uber was there 5 min later... total time was ~10 min. Still no results 36 hours later, but that's their problem, not mine
Total time from plane to uber was 60 minutes, but that was with no bags and nexus, so definitely a YMMV situation.
Jul 18, 2021, 9:28 am
#1240
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,190
Appreciate the update. I'll be flying from NYC August 2 and the gf has no Nexus, so we'll be waiting in the regular line together. My friend was flying to NYC yesterday and AC cancelled flights due to thunderstorm and they were in line for US customs when US customs closed. They were herded back to Canadian customs (2 hours), had to take an on-arrival COVID test (1 hour), and waited for bags to be unloaded (2 hours). According to her, chaos does not even begin to describe YYZ T1.
With all of the red tape involved in foreign travel these days (up to 4 separate covid tests per round trip, possible quarantines and 3-day $2,000 hotel stays) quick business and weekend transborder trips (like a popular business daytrip YYZ>LGA>YYZ) won’t likely be coming back anytime soon. Trips will need to be at least 4+ days to make all of this nonsense worthwhile.
Last edited by sydneyracquelle; Jul 18, 2021 at 9:44 am
Jul 18, 2021, 1:29 pm
#1241
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I was part of the YYZ T1 transborder festivities last night. EWR airport closed due to lightning strike so several evening flights cancelled and these were the last flights of the day. In the old days we would just retrace our steps and go back out through security and US customs and wind up where we started at pre-security departures. Now you have to reclear Canada Customs (which was full for several hours so we had to wait at our gate) even though you never left Canada. Who makes up these rules?
The reason is that international passengers can get to the transborder area having never cleared CBSA, so they can't just let you walk out.
Jul 18, 2021, 1:48 pm
#1242
Join Date: May 2016
Location: YUL
Programs: Aeroplan, NEXUS
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Does anyone know what happens if after you pass through US pre-clearance at a Canadian airport, you're forced to "cross" back into Canada at the airport? This has happened to me before, where my flight gets cancelled at the gate, and I had to go back through Canadian customs to re-enter Canada. But with the quarantine rules, would you be required to quarantine for 14 days and book a hotel for 3 days in this case? It's a hypothetical, but I didn't find any specific exemption for this in the rules.
This has happened to me several times at YYZ with cancellations and VDB vouchers and even switching terminals (AA put me on AC or UA). Previously I could just walk back through security and US Customs backwards and end up at US departures. Now it is more strict and an airline employee must escort you out to US departures. Never have I had to reclear Cdn Customs. And since you never left Canada you are not reentering. At the beginning of covid some poor souls drove to USA and were denied entry for being nonessential and nasty Canada made them quarantine. Now they get right back into Canada as if they never left.
I was part of the YYZ T1 transborder festivities last night. EWR airport closed due to lightning strike so several evening flights cancelled and these were the last flights of the day. In the old days we would just retrace our steps and go back out through security and US customs and wind up where we started at pre-security departures. Now you have to reclear Canada Customs (which was full for several hours so we had to wait at our gate) even though you never left Canada. Who makes up these rules?
With all of the red tape involved in foreign travel these days (up to 4 separate covid tests per round trip, possible quarantines and 3-day $2,000 hotel stays) quick business and weekend transborder trips (like a popular business daytrip YYZ>LGA>YYZ) won’t likely be coming back anytime soon. Trips will need to be at least 4+ days to make all of this nonsense worthwhile.
With all of the red tape involved in foreign travel these days (up to 4 separate covid tests per round trip, possible quarantines and 3-day $2,000 hotel stays) quick business and weekend transborder trips (like a popular business daytrip YYZ>LGA>YYZ) won’t likely be coming back anytime soon. Trips will need to be at least 4+ days to make all of this nonsense worthwhile.
That has been my experience forever. Once you're transborder (or international), you can't get out without clearing through CBSA.
The reason is that international passengers can get to the transborder area having never cleared CBSA, so they can't just let you walk out.
The reason is that international passengers can get to the transborder area having never cleared CBSA, so they can't just let you walk out.
Jul 18, 2021, 1:58 pm
#1243
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,190
As I said back in April in the Handling of returning Canadians Forum, travellers are required to clear CBSA if they are at the gate for an Int'l or Transborder Flight at YYZ T1 and YUL (probably YVR as well). What surprises me the most is that these individuals were subjected to an Arrival Test when they never left Canadian Soil. I wonder if they did not make it clear to the CBSA that they never left the Airport. Otherwise, I am confused myself.
Last edited by sydneyracquelle; Jul 18, 2021 at 2:03 pm
Jul 18, 2021, 3:49 pm
#1244
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I've been following this thread and it's absolutely the best source of information about the border crossing fiasco I've seen anywhere. Some of the reports here of arrival experiences are making me wonder if I might regret going ahead with a planned trip to Canada.
Can anyone offer an opinion about what I might expect for an arrival at YVR from the US? Scheduled arrival time is 6:50am with a connection to YYZ at 9:00am. Would the early morning arrival give me a better chance of getting through the procedures quickly? I am fully vaccinated and have Canadian citizenship.
An option I've considered is flying to a US city (ORD, EWR, DFW etc.) and then a private flight to YYZ (or YHM, YKF, whatever) and avoid the Covid procedures entirely. Does that sound crazy?
Can anyone offer an opinion about what I might expect for an arrival at YVR from the US? Scheduled arrival time is 6:50am with a connection to YYZ at 9:00am. Would the early morning arrival give me a better chance of getting through the procedures quickly? I am fully vaccinated and have Canadian citizenship.
An option I've considered is flying to a US city (ORD, EWR, DFW etc.) and then a private flight to YYZ (or YHM, YKF, whatever) and avoid the Covid procedures entirely. Does that sound crazy?
Jul 18, 2021, 4:02 pm
#1245
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,190
I've been following this thread and it's absolutely the best source of information about the border crossing fiasco I've seen anywhere. Some of the reports here of arrival experiences are making me wonder if I might regret going ahead with a planned trip to Canada.
Can anyone offer an opinion about what I might expect for an arrival at YVR from the US? Scheduled arrival time is 6:50am with a connection to YYZ at 9:00am. Would the early morning arrival give me a better chance of getting through the procedures quickly? I am fully vaccinated and have Canadian citizenship.
An option I've considered is flying to a US city (ORD, EWR, DFW etc.) and then a private flight to YYZ (or YHM, YKF, whatever) and avoid the Covid procedures entirely. Does that sound crazy?
Can anyone offer an opinion about what I might expect for an arrival at YVR from the US? Scheduled arrival time is 6:50am with a connection to YYZ at 9:00am. Would the early morning arrival give me a better chance of getting through the procedures quickly? I am fully vaccinated and have Canadian citizenship.
An option I've considered is flying to a US city (ORD, EWR, DFW etc.) and then a private flight to YYZ (or YHM, YKF, whatever) and avoid the Covid procedures entirely. Does that sound crazy?