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Old Feb 22, 2022, 3:14 am
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Because of the scale of the disruption resulting from an IT system outage, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers.

Your travel plans are probably in tatters, you should give BA a chance to fix things for you.

Firstly do not cancel or refund or credit to a voucher your ticket if this option exists as you effectively voluntarily cancel the contract for transportation with BA by doing so and hence end any right to claim for replacement transport, duty of care, or anything else.
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If BA.com is working, at least give it a go and see if Manage my Booking is giving you any sensible options. You don't have to take the option(s) presented if they do not meet your needs and you might be able to find better options yourself. However, not that by default BA will be only offering rebooking onto BA and any Joint-Ventre carriers and possible OneWorld partners. If there are no sensible options, document it (take a picture). Also try the BA app, it may work when the website doesn't, or vice versa. Take a screenshot of any errors you get when trying to log in or do anything reasonable.
Try calling the call centre. You probably won't get through in a sensible length of time, but document that you made several calls. Take a screenshot and save it.

If you have made reasonable attempts to contact BA and have not been able to do so, this now puts you in a strong position to organise your own onward travel arrangements, and to claim the difference from BA later. You need to act reasonably, choose travel arrangements that are similar where possible to what you had purchased from BA, and where possible you should document with photos or screen shots that the actions you are taking are reasonable, there are no other cheaper options. Even if you don't plan to use it for booking, use a comparison service to show current market costs for the transport you are choosing. BA should respond positively to customer service claims for the cost of onward transport where you can show that BA were unable to provide you timely assistance to rebook. You should do this bearing in mind what coverage you might have from your own travel insurance policy and whether your planned trip is salvageable or if it is entirely in vain and should be abandoned. Note that BA are not responsible for consequential costs beyond their initial contract for transport, but any insurance you may have could be.
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BA have a duty of care under the UK successor to EU Regulation 261/2004 and based upon forum experience the following costs would usually be claimable from BA without any significant pushback.

£25 for reasonable meal/refreshment expenses (per adult per day)
2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required in a location a significant distance from your home address
£200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
£50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care as indicated above, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met, but having additional evidence or justification for costs going over these limits would be sensible. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage - see https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...amaged-baggage

Set your expectation for the turnaround time for any refunds, claims, etc. It could be more like weeks rather than days, consider this if cashflow is concern.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...61-2004-a.html or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:10 pm
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BA105 to Dubia only just taking off now! (Dep 20:40)

https://fr24.com/BAW105/2af198bc

BA83 To Abuja Looks to be next. (Dep 22:00)

https://fr24.com/BAW83/2af1a509
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 6:42 pm
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Finally managed to log in on BA.com. Took forever to get everything in to book a flight and then it failed at the payment processing. It's so bad. Tried on the iPhone app and it was even worse

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 8:05 pm
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I've been trying to search & book flights for the last hour, for 3 different trips back to the UK, all within the next month. It either fails in the search/pricing stage or in the payment stage. Either way - BA.com isn't working which is infuriating. Even tried through googleflights and it didn't work. I booked one of these through VS as a result (an easy SFO-LHR rtn for next week) but will leave the other bookings until tomorrow to make, in the hopes BA.com is working.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:36 am
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”It is understood the system issues are not a result of any cyber attack.“ Will we ever know if it was a cyberattack or not? I suspect neither the government or BA would admit to it…
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:45 am
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The BA systems seem to fail quite well without the need for any hackers - i dont see why they'd bother.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:51 am
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I know many are dealing with flight cancellations today so please follow the sister thread to share your experiences, offer assistance etc. We can use this thread for the more general issues relating to BA's system failure

All BA short haul out of LHR 26 Feb cancelled [Rebooking assistance thread]

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by eh220160
When did you submit your docs - before the outage? Mine are still under "assessment" for a 6pm ish departure tmrw. What a shambles - hope it all clears up overnight!
hi

Submitted mine to verifly whilst at dinner at the t4 hilton around 1830

regards

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:55 am
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Originally Posted by BlackSkyuk

BA105 to Dubia only just taking off now! (Dep 20:40)

https://fr24.com/BAW105/2af198bc

BA83 To Abuja Looks to be next. (Dep 22:00)

https://fr24.com/BAW83/2af1a509
I wonder if departures such as these come out of the Heathrow Night Flight Quota? If so, seems unfair on other airlines? (i.e. Ones who spend the money on keeping their IT systems online - that the night quota is used up because BA cant get its house on order!)

Or is an event such as this considered exceptional(like severe weather?) that delayed departures such as this are not considered part of the night quota?
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 12:56 am
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Originally Posted by eh220160
When did you submit your docs - before the outage? Mine are still under "assessment" for a 6pm ish departure tmrw. What a shambles - hope it all clears up overnight!
I submitted my docs yesterday at 16:30. It just cleared now so that system def works.
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot
hi

Submitted mine to verifly whilst at dinner at the t4 hilton around 1830

regards

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Just letting you know friend is currently at T5 now and there are many hundreds of people in the queues. They are only letting people into the terminal with flights departing before 1400 currwntly. Might impact your plans of a leisurely afternoon in CCR as they are strict in letting people in including status and F pax
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:21 am
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Am surprised there have been no leaks on what has actually gone wrong with the BA IT systems this week, particularly as they have gone down (at least) twice... Must admit that I am a tad concerned as I have several flights booked in the next few weeks, having had a flight cancelled on Friday due to the storms and just missing out on Tuesday's chaos (late flight) it may not be third time unlucky.

BA web site and app seem to be working again, until the next time...
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by SW7London
I wonder if departures such as these come out of the Heathrow Night Flight Quota? If so, seems unfair on other airlines? (i.e. Ones who spend the money on keeping their IT systems online - that the night quota is used up because BA cant get its house on order!)

Or is an event such as this considered exceptional(like severe weather?) that delayed departures such as this are not considered part of the night quota?

Heathrow Night Flights table

it looks like delayed flights do NOT come out of the quota
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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by KeaneJohn
Just letting you know friend is currently at T5 now and there are many hundreds of people in the queues. They are only letting people into the terminal with flights departing before 1400 currwntly. Might impact your plans of a leisurely afternoon in CCR as they are strict in letting people in including status and F pax

Hi

Many thanks for that keanejohn

Appreciate it.

I think I will delay my arrival until around 4pm rather than my originally planned 2pm or so.

Regards

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:28 am
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Originally Posted by SW7London
I wonder if departures such as these come out of the Heathrow Night Flight Quota? If so, seems unfair on other airlines? (i.e. Ones who spend the money on keeping their IT systems online - that the night quota is used up because BA cant get its house on order!)

Or is an event such as this considered exceptional(like severe weather?) that delayed departures such as this are not considered part of the night quota?

Here's a listing of the BA flights from flight radar yesterday (25th Feb) that were either delayed by more than an hour, or were cancelled.
The rot set in just before 1700GMT.

16:55 BA135 Mumbai (BOM) Unknown
16:55 BA1420 Belfast (BHD) Departed 18:07
17:10 BA1488 Glasgow (GLA) Departed 18:28
17:15 BA550 Rome (FCO) Departed 18:26
17:20 BA322 Paris (CDG) Departed 18:44
17:20 BA736 Geneva (GVA) Departed 21:27
17:20 BA1452 Edinburgh (EDI) Departed 19:34
17:30 BA85 Vancouver (YVR) Departed 18:51
17:50 BA488 Barcelona (BCN) Departed 21:08
18:15 BA43 Cape Town (CPT) Departed 21:17
18:15 BA61 Male (MLE) Departed 20:19
18:15 BA742 Geneva (GVA) Departed 21:52
18:20 BA1336 Newcastle (NCL) Departed 23:17
18:25 BA1402 Manchester (MAN)Departed 20:12
18:30 BA828 Dublin (DUB) Departed 21:41
18:30 BA870 Budapest (BUD) Departed 20:46
18:40 BA706 Vienna (VIE) Departed 20:55
18:45 BA570 Milan (LIN) Canceled
18:50 BA1438 Edinburgh (EDI) Departed 20:27
18:55 BA988 Berlin (BER) Canceled
19:05 BA504 Lisbon (LIS) Canceled
19:10 BA858 Prague (PRG) Departed 21:31
19:10 BA822 Copenhagen (CPH) Departed 21:38
19:15 BA738 Geneva (GVA) Canceled
19:25 BA1422 Belfast (BHD) Canceled
19:35 BA2778 Jersey (JER) Departed 23:13
19:55 BA247 Sao Paulo (GRU) Departed 00:42
19:55 BA958 Munich (MUC) Canceled
19:55 BA786 Stockholm (ARN) Canceled
20:20 BA946 Dusseldorf (DUS)Canceled
20:35 BA1318 Aberdeen (ABZ) Canceled
20:40 BA105 Dubai (DXB) Departed 01:08
21:05 BA924 Geneva (GVA) Estimated dep. 21:05
21:10 BA57 Johannesburg (JNB) Departed 23:10
21:45 BA59 Cape Town (CPT) Departed 00:03
22:00 BA83 Abuja (ABV) Departed 01:20
22:15 BA251 Santiago (SCL) Delayed 20:15
22:20 BA157 Kuwait City (KWI) Departed 01:34

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Old Feb 26, 2022, 4:32 am
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Thanks for putting all the data up Plunet. It often is useful in a few days when people are trying to resolve compensation, reimbursement or alternative travel arragenements, in terms of unravelling what happened to flights and when.
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