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Old Feb 22, 2022, 3:14 am
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Because of the scale of the disruption resulting from an IT system outage, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers.

Your travel plans are probably in tatters, you should give BA a chance to fix things for you.

Firstly do not cancel or refund or credit to a voucher your ticket if this option exists as you effectively voluntarily cancel the contract for transportation with BA by doing so and hence end any right to claim for replacement transport, duty of care, or anything else.
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If BA.com is working, at least give it a go and see if Manage my Booking is giving you any sensible options. You don't have to take the option(s) presented if they do not meet your needs and you might be able to find better options yourself. However, not that by default BA will be only offering rebooking onto BA and any Joint-Ventre carriers and possible OneWorld partners. If there are no sensible options, document it (take a picture). Also try the BA app, it may work when the website doesn't, or vice versa. Take a screenshot of any errors you get when trying to log in or do anything reasonable.
Try calling the call centre. You probably won't get through in a sensible length of time, but document that you made several calls. Take a screenshot and save it.

If you have made reasonable attempts to contact BA and have not been able to do so, this now puts you in a strong position to organise your own onward travel arrangements, and to claim the difference from BA later. You need to act reasonably, choose travel arrangements that are similar where possible to what you had purchased from BA, and where possible you should document with photos or screen shots that the actions you are taking are reasonable, there are no other cheaper options. Even if you don't plan to use it for booking, use a comparison service to show current market costs for the transport you are choosing. BA should respond positively to customer service claims for the cost of onward transport where you can show that BA were unable to provide you timely assistance to rebook. You should do this bearing in mind what coverage you might have from your own travel insurance policy and whether your planned trip is salvageable or if it is entirely in vain and should be abandoned. Note that BA are not responsible for consequential costs beyond their initial contract for transport, but any insurance you may have could be.
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BA have a duty of care under the UK successor to EU Regulation 261/2004 and based upon forum experience the following costs would usually be claimable from BA without any significant pushback.

£25 for reasonable meal/refreshment expenses (per adult per day)
2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required in a location a significant distance from your home address
£200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
£50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care as indicated above, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met, but having additional evidence or justification for costs going over these limits would be sensible. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage - see https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...amaged-baggage

Set your expectation for the turnaround time for any refunds, claims, etc. It could be more like weeks rather than days, consider this if cashflow is concern.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...61-2004-a.html or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:37 pm
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Seriously. You just can’t make this up can you? Would have been less damaging for BAs reputation if it was a cyber attack.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by firstlight
To be honest, how would we know it's a cyber attack? Ba's IT is so bad at the best of times a cyber attack taking it down would probably be described by BA's PR department as an enhancement.
I'm no expert, but I thought there were various sites that tracked suspicious activity/potential attacks, and something like DDOS was quite easy to spot because you can see massive unexpected traffic to a particular website
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ratechaser
I'm no expert, but I thought there were various sites that tracked suspicious activity/potential attacks, and something like DDOS was quite easy to spot because you can see massive unexpected traffic to a particular website
And companies like BA which are part of the critical national infrastructure are able to call on certain specialised resources in that event
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:01 pm
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:02 pm
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Don’t flatter BA’s IT ….
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:16 pm
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly
Don’t flatter BA’s IT ….
Ha ha yes "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence..."
I feel like that line needs to be inserted just below "To Fly, To Serve"...!

Trying to do various attestations and APIs..... not tonight I guess...
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:18 pm
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Has anyone checked to make sure the cleaner hasn’t pulled the plug to the servers out to plug their vacuum cleaner in?
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by sigma421
BA is (at least for the moment) saying it’s not a cyberattack. Given their tendency to blame any external factor they can when things go wrong, I’m inclined to believe them

https://twitter.com/alexinair/status...887120902?s=21
Anyone more reliable than Macheras? I don’t doubt IAG GBS is behind this SNAFU but the guy isn’t beyond being, shall we say, creative. I remember him “scooping” about massive layoffs and commotions in Waterside on a day when nothing of that kind was taking place.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by 13901
Anyone more reliable than Macheras? I don’t doubt IAG GBS is behind this SNAFU but the guy isn’t beyond being, shall we say, creative. I remember him “scooping” about massive layoffs and commotions in Waterside on a day when nothing of that kind was taking place.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:23 pm
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Saltire74
Has anyone checked to make sure the cleaner hasn’t pulled the plug to the servers out to plug their vacuum cleaner in?
That would require someone actually cleaning.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by wrp96
That would require someone actually cleaning.
You just won what's left of the internet today...
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by 13901
Anyone more reliable than Macheras? I don’t doubt IAG GBS is behind this SNAFU but the guy isn’t beyond being, shall we say, creative. I remember him “scooping” about massive layoffs and commotions in Waterside on a day when nothing of that kind was taking place.
Yes, I agree but I think Alex is just reporting what BA have said in their statement and on twitter from the official BA channel.
The question for me though is whether at this time on a Friday evening BA would have the staff and expertise available to accurately make an assessment like that, particularly when we might be talking about a sophisticated attack by a state-backed operation?
If you want to cause maximum trouble then this is probably the time of week you would choose.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by wrp96
That would require someone actually cleaning.
Good one Has anyone checked to see if the IT Apprentice has taken the server plug out to plug in his phone charger?
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Saltire74
Good one Has anyone checked to see if the IT Apprentice has taken the server plug out to plug in his phone charger?
Given the state of BA IT system, worth a check.
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