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Old Feb 22, 2022, 3:14 am
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Because of the scale of the disruption resulting from an IT system outage, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers.

Your travel plans are probably in tatters, you should give BA a chance to fix things for you.

Firstly do not cancel or refund or credit to a voucher your ticket if this option exists as you effectively voluntarily cancel the contract for transportation with BA by doing so and hence end any right to claim for replacement transport, duty of care, or anything else.
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If BA.com is working, at least give it a go and see if Manage my Booking is giving you any sensible options. You don't have to take the option(s) presented if they do not meet your needs and you might be able to find better options yourself. However, not that by default BA will be only offering rebooking onto BA and any Joint-Ventre carriers and possible OneWorld partners. If there are no sensible options, document it (take a picture). Also try the BA app, it may work when the website doesn't, or vice versa. Take a screenshot of any errors you get when trying to log in or do anything reasonable.
Try calling the call centre. You probably won't get through in a sensible length of time, but document that you made several calls. Take a screenshot and save it.

If you have made reasonable attempts to contact BA and have not been able to do so, this now puts you in a strong position to organise your own onward travel arrangements, and to claim the difference from BA later. You need to act reasonably, choose travel arrangements that are similar where possible to what you had purchased from BA, and where possible you should document with photos or screen shots that the actions you are taking are reasonable, there are no other cheaper options. Even if you don't plan to use it for booking, use a comparison service to show current market costs for the transport you are choosing. BA should respond positively to customer service claims for the cost of onward transport where you can show that BA were unable to provide you timely assistance to rebook. You should do this bearing in mind what coverage you might have from your own travel insurance policy and whether your planned trip is salvageable or if it is entirely in vain and should be abandoned. Note that BA are not responsible for consequential costs beyond their initial contract for transport, but any insurance you may have could be.
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BA have a duty of care under the UK successor to EU Regulation 261/2004 and based upon forum experience the following costs would usually be claimable from BA without any significant pushback.

£25 for reasonable meal/refreshment expenses (per adult per day)
2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required in a location a significant distance from your home address
£200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
£50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care as indicated above, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met, but having additional evidence or justification for costs going over these limits would be sensible. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage - see https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...amaged-baggage

Set your expectation for the turnaround time for any refunds, claims, etc. It could be more like weeks rather than days, consider this if cashflow is concern.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...61-2004-a.html or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by wmaciej
It's time to deploy the hi vis jacket Sean.
This jacket will get used a lot this week!
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:33 pm
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We were able to depart, but right after landing at LHR the flight deck announced new troubles. Now we're parked somewhere with no Idea how long before reaching any available place to disembark...
Nice week for BA...
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:37 pm
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And my booking has to be paid by the end of today - multiple attempts and still no luck so far. I really hope they fix it before midnight or the booking will just disappear...
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Lefly
We were able to depart, but right after landing at LHR the flight deck announced new troubles. Now we're parked somewhere with no Idea how long before reaching any available place to disembark...
Nice week for BA...
I feel bad for our crew - so many passengers asking for updates on their connecting flights (none forthcoming since systems are down) and one guy has asked for his dinner (can’t do whilst on the ground).

Nothing they can do, but feeling the brunt of people’s frustrations.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:43 pm
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Sitting on 43 to CPT. Captain just announced that information is very limited but that the entire BA system appears to be down. Only minimal flights in the air. Aircraft are waiting at LHR to park. Has no idea when he will get another update.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by wrp96
Procedures for logging into BA.com

1. Click login and enter details
2. Cross your fingers
3. Hold your breath
4. Pray
I am still experiencing this today here in California. Now I am not getting through at all. I presume it remains a worldwide problem although downdetector.co.uk suggests it really just started getting bad about 3 hours ago.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:47 pm
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In the spirit of being constructive, I'd like to mention the silver lining here though: all my calls to the GGL line are going through at a speed not achieved for months: call, recorded message, ring, agent picks up, me: "would you like my membership number?", agent: "I'm sorry sir, all our systems are down", me: "oh ok, I'll try a bit later".

With the average customer call thereby lasting about 30 seconds assuming a polite and well prepared passenger, and achieving absolutely nothing whatsoever, the same number of agents can now easily answer all calls with virtually no wait: genius!

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:49 pm
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...aaaand we finally reached a gate.
Only to wait for someone to operate the finger, with again no Idea when they will be available...

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
In the spirit of being constructive, I'd like to mention the silver lining here though: all my calls to the GGL line are going through at a speed not achieved for months: call, recorded message, ring, agent picks up, me: "would you like my membership number?", agent: "I'm sorry sir, all our systems are down", me: "oh ok, I'll try a bit later".

With the average customer call thereby lasting about 30 seconds assuming a polite and well prepared passenger, the same number of agents can now easily answer all calls with virtually no wait: genius!
perfect! Customers wanted no wait, we gave them no wait. Reminds me the BoB justification: customers didn’t want complimentary cheap snacks, so we’ve removed them!
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:06 pm
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Just reading on Twitter that British Airways and NVIDIA companies are under a cyber attack.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:07 pm
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From a very reliable source:

מתקפת סייבר פוטנציאלית על סקטור התעופה הבריטי דווחה עם
המערכות של בריטיש איירווייס ממוקדות

Potential cyberattack on British aviation sector reported with British Airways’ systems targeted
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:10 pm
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Reported (unofficially) on Twitter to be a massive sustained Cyber Attack on BA systems. I wonder what country it originated from, if true…
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:13 pm
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To be honest, how would we know it's a cyber attack? Ba's IT is so bad at the best of times a cyber attack taking it down would probably be described by BA's PR department as an enhancement.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:14 pm
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BA is (at least for the moment) saying it’s not a cyberattack. Given their tendency to blame any external factor they can when things go wrong, I’m inclined to believe them

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Old Feb 25, 2022, 1:35 pm
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Ba.com down

Ba.com is down. Russian cyber attack or just poor IT? Seems a coincidence.
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