Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jun 30, 2017, 9:04 am
#2747
Join Date: May 2014
Location: DMV
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It's interesting that this isn't triggering much of a public response. BA is literally importing a foreign workforce to bust a union. Surely, the whole episode must show the striking BA staff that their cause is hopeless.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:14 am
#2749
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Near Edinburgh
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 9,034
Via Twitter, a bunch of QR A320s inbound to LHR (presumably with crews to substitute for striking workers).
https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/sta...71196148752384
https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/sta...71196148752384
Jun 30, 2017, 10:01 am
#2750
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,596
Jun 30, 2017, 10:52 am
#2751
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Northumberland (The big bit between Newcastle & Scotland).
Programs: BAEC & VS.
Posts: 224
Latest on BA site :
We will operate 99.5 per cent of our schedule and have merged a very small number of Heathrow long-haul services with customers having been notified of their new flight details earlier in the week.
We expect to operate all short-haul flights to and from Heathrow, with our oneworld alliance partner Qatar Airways flying a small number of these services on our behalf.
We will be updating all of our operational systems with the details of which flights are being served by Qatar on a regular basis.
If you have a booking in the coming days and wish to check whether your flight is being operated by Qatar on our behalf then please check your unique Manage My Booking page.
We will operate 99.5 per cent of our schedule and have merged a very small number of Heathrow long-haul services with customers having been notified of their new flight details earlier in the week.
We expect to operate all short-haul flights to and from Heathrow, with our oneworld alliance partner Qatar Airways flying a small number of these services on our behalf.
We will be updating all of our operational systems with the details of which flights are being served by Qatar on a regular basis.
If you have a booking in the coming days and wish to check whether your flight is being operated by Qatar on our behalf then please check your unique Manage My Booking page.
Jun 30, 2017, 11:10 am
#2752
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: GYD
Programs: Azerbaijan Airlines Gold, Turkish Miles and Smiles, IHG Plat
Posts: 663
I'm not sure where the law sits on this one but would it be illegal for LHR ground staff to refuse to handle the QR aircraft?
Jun 30, 2017, 2:04 pm
#2753
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Posts: 709
Jul 1, 2017, 11:21 am
#2755
Join Date: May 2003
Location: DEL
Programs: Mucci du Miel d'Or
Posts: 2,375
Jul 1, 2017, 12:41 pm
#2756
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: ECH Gold
Posts: 150
As a shareholder I wd be interested in how much expense this is costing?
Not just the cancellations, but the leasing in of QR planes, the loss of revenue
on board from selling in economy.
Jul 1, 2017, 7:56 pm
#2757
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,676
I spoke to various BA staff members today. The ladies manning the first wing had to be prompted about the strike and then commented they'd barely noticed anything.
I had two mixed fleet based flights today - I understand the crew on my YYZ flight wasn't at full strength - but they delivered flawlessly.
Although - no hats anywhere to be seen - and the ladies on the first wing told me the MF crews who did come in wouldn't be wearing them.
Once again - regardless of the expense BA has engaged in to cover it up - the strike isn't having sufficient effect to result in publicity.
I hope BA do back down - but it's going to require the costs (that we can't see) to be high enough to cause a problem.
I had two mixed fleet based flights today - I understand the crew on my YYZ flight wasn't at full strength - but they delivered flawlessly.
Although - no hats anywhere to be seen - and the ladies on the first wing told me the MF crews who did come in wouldn't be wearing them.
Once again - regardless of the expense BA has engaged in to cover it up - the strike isn't having sufficient effect to result in publicity.
I hope BA do back down - but it's going to require the costs (that we can't see) to be high enough to cause a problem.
Jul 1, 2017, 11:35 pm
#2758
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: UK/France
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Posts: 274
If it was costing a significant sum IAG would have had to have made a stock market declaration - I haven't seen one.
Jul 2, 2017, 2:12 am
#2759
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Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,564
just had two MF flights (LH and SH). Not a single sign of any inconvenience. Why can't Unite understand that this is a lost cause?
I guess that there is alot of internal power struggle within the union like in political parties such as Labor and Conservatives.
I guess that there is alot of internal power struggle within the union like in political parties such as Labor and Conservatives.
Jul 2, 2017, 3:23 am
#2760
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Posts: 907
In a one-off strike scenario which has already been largely resolved, a corporate would probably be better off giving in on the remaining point on treatment of strikers vs non-strikers and re-establishing goodwill. However, BA isn't facing a one-off strike: it's operating in a low-margin industry and has a workforce that is prone to strikes and therefore does not have the luxury of being magnanimous.