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This is a "clinic" thread, so a great way to find out how to go via Dublin Airport en route to somewhere else (probably!). It covers issues such as back to back flights, overnight stopovers, passport and security issues, and logistical issues. There have been some recent posts about the viability of back to back trips, for which more reports of recent experiences would be helpful. See post 1468 onwards for more information.
Other threads which may well be useful include:
BA Tier Point Runs 2017
Premium Fare deals (J and F)
Ex-Mainland Europe Travel Planning Guide
Back-to-back / Immediate Turnarounds at BA Destinations
Travel with BA from Cork, Shannon and Knock - a pictorial guide
These sorts of flight arrangements aren't for everyone. If you have a family and luggage to check in, the potential cost savings have to weighed against the additional hassle and risk. Generally speaking it is safest to go either back to back or overnight - the latter is easier with checked luggage. The underlying logic for this is in this post.
Other threads which may well be useful include:
BA Tier Point Runs 2017
Premium Fare deals (J and F)
Ex-Mainland Europe Travel Planning Guide
Back-to-back / Immediate Turnarounds at BA Destinations
Travel with BA from Cork, Shannon and Knock - a pictorial guide
These sorts of flight arrangements aren't for everyone. If you have a family and luggage to check in, the potential cost savings have to weighed against the additional hassle and risk. Generally speaking it is safest to go either back to back or overnight - the latter is easier with checked luggage. The underlying logic for this is in this post.
Ex DUB logistics and positioning | clinic thread
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For future reference, this is my preferred ex-EU template:
Travelling with wallet, passport, phone and 2x printed BPs:
Day 1 am: Locator flight LHR -> EU
Day 1 pm: Leg #1 of ex-EU ticket; EU ->
Return home for the night of Day 1.
Travelling with hold luggage:
Day 2: Leg #2 of ex-EU ticket: LHR-> long haul destination
(as long as there is <24 h between leg 1 and leg 2, there's no price penalty).
Day n: Leg #3 of ex-EU ticket: long haul destination -> LHR
Day n/n+1 (if overnight flight): Leg #4 of ex-EU ticket: LGW/LCY-> EU, or
Day n+2 (if overnight flight): Leg #4 of ex-EU ticket: LHR-> long haul destination
This works, and (so far) has been stress free.
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Hi PWOZUK
If you are returning to LHR, then take the last DUB flight the night before as this aircraft overnights at DUB and operates the first inbound to LHR the next morning (your first ex-EU), so this flight is generally the last to get cancelled, and if it does, you can ask BA to start your ex-EU from London. The second last flight from either LCY or LHR returns to London that evening and thus if a cancellation occurs, there is no guarantee you'll get to Dublin that night and BA maybe less sympathic if you are not in Dublin for the start of your ex-EU if that aircraft is in position.
If you go via LCY, there is a small risk with either flight from London to Dublin.
Pilot37
If you are returning to LHR, then take the last DUB flight the night before as this aircraft overnights at DUB and operates the first inbound to LHR the next morning (your first ex-EU), so this flight is generally the last to get cancelled, and if it does, you can ask BA to start your ex-EU from London. The second last flight from either LCY or LHR returns to London that evening and thus if a cancellation occurs, there is no guarantee you'll get to Dublin that night and BA maybe less sympathic if you are not in Dublin for the start of your ex-EU if that aircraft is in position.
If you go via LCY, there is a small risk with either flight from London to Dublin.
Pilot37
If my preferred BA LHR-DUB is cancelled, can I ask for a code share on EI from T2, or are my only options any remaining BA flights from T5?
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I can see that clearly choosing the penultimate flight is risky, as it might go tech with me on it and be overtaken by the later (last) LHR-DUB flight , before being cancelled.
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Ok so I booked a B2B at DUB when it was very doable and now a bit concerned. Flight is in July.
I am taking the penultimate flight ex LHR to return on the last ex DUB at 20.40. What is passport control like at that time of night?. It will be me, a phone and headphones + passport. I am in CE both sectors.
I am taking the penultimate flight ex LHR to return on the last ex DUB at 20.40. What is passport control like at that time of night?. It will be me, a phone and headphones + passport. I am in CE both sectors.
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Ok so I booked a B2B at DUB when it was very doable and now a bit concerned. Flight is in July.
I am taking the penultimate flight ex LHR to return on the last ex DUB at 20.40. What is passport control like at that time of night?. It will be me, a phone and headphones + passport. I am in CE both sectors.
I am taking the penultimate flight ex LHR to return on the last ex DUB at 20.40. What is passport control like at that time of night?. It will be me, a phone and headphones + passport. I am in CE both sectors.
You should be ok, but go quickly & know where you are going when you go into arrivals hall.
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[QUOTE=NWIFlyer;28478008]it does seem the one report of it being too close for comfort arose because the transfer route was used rather than taking the more conventional (for FT) Fast Track security from landside. Even then, the poster made it./QUOTE]
FWIW, the close call I experienced was mainly down to the long immigration queue (which fortunately I managed to jump - exceptional circumstances). I've done the non-transfer route at Dub several times before and while I would agree it's quicker, I would not have said it would have been a lot quicker on the day of my travel.
In my view a DUB b2b is now an immigration queue lottery. I only made the flight because I a) jumped two queues and b) did two sprints through the airport.
FWIW, the close call I experienced was mainly down to the long immigration queue (which fortunately I managed to jump - exceptional circumstances). I've done the non-transfer route at Dub several times before and while I would agree it's quicker, I would not have said it would have been a lot quicker on the day of my travel.
In my view a DUB b2b is now an immigration queue lottery. I only made the flight because I a) jumped two queues and b) did two sprints through the airport.
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I came through the 200 gates on BA828 yesterday. It took me 7 minutes from the aircraft door to exiting into the arrivals hall. If I was doing a back to back I think I would have made it comfortably with FT security.
However points to note;
1. I was in row 1 and first down the steps.
2. EU immigration was a little busy but with 6 desks open it moved quickly. I would estimate about a 14 person queue for each desk.
3. Non -EU immigration was a disaster with a long queue around the back of the hall.
4. The E passport machines are out of action at present.
5. The situation is highly variable depending on the arriving flights from the 300 and 400 gates ahead of the BA arrival.
However points to note;
1. I was in row 1 and first down the steps.
2. EU immigration was a little busy but with 6 desks open it moved quickly. I would estimate about a 14 person queue for each desk.
3. Non -EU immigration was a disaster with a long queue around the back of the hall.
4. The E passport machines are out of action at present.
5. The situation is highly variable depending on the arriving flights from the 300 and 400 gates ahead of the BA arrival.
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I came through the 200 gates on BA828 yesterday. It took me 7 minutes from the aircraft door to exiting into the arrivals hall. If I was doing a back to back I think I would have made it comfortably with FT security.
However points to note;
1. I was in row 1 and first down the steps.
2. EU immigration was a little busy but with 6 desks open it moved quickly. I would estimate about a 14 person queue for each desk.
3. Non -EU immigration was a disaster with a long queue around the back of the hall.
4. The E passport machines are out of action at present.
5. The situation is highly variable depending on the arriving flights from the 300 and 400 gates ahead of the BA arrival.
However points to note;
1. I was in row 1 and first down the steps.
2. EU immigration was a little busy but with 6 desks open it moved quickly. I would estimate about a 14 person queue for each desk.
3. Non -EU immigration was a disaster with a long queue around the back of the hall.
4. The E passport machines are out of action at present.
5. The situation is highly variable depending on the arriving flights from the 300 and 400 gates ahead of the BA arrival.
2 - this is now the major issue, variability of the queue length for the immigration from the 200 gates
3 - yes I think dylanks (who is a non-EU) has mentioned this too so for any non-EUs I think DUB is a very big no-no for a b2b
5 - the arriving passengers from the 300 gates (the ones BA used to use a while ago) feed in to a separate immigration hall. This hall always seemed very quiet and whilst a 300 gate did involve going landside it was never really much of an issue
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For future reference, this is my preferred ex-EU template:
Travelling with wallet, passport, phone and 2x printed BPs:
Day 1 am: Locator flight LHR -> EU
Day 1 pm: Leg #1 of ex-EU ticket; EU ->
Return home for the night of Day 1.
Travelling with wallet, passport, phone and 2x printed BPs:
Day 1 am: Locator flight LHR -> EU
Day 1 pm: Leg #1 of ex-EU ticket; EU ->
Return home for the night of Day 1.
Day 1 (positioning) - Fly LON-DUB in the morning, do some work, see the sights, have lunch, whatever.
Day 1 (start of long-haul) - Fly DUB-LON in the evening. Go home & sleep in your own bed, see your family, etc.
Day 2 - Fly LON-<wherever> (with hold luggage if necessary). Do whatever you have to do.
<wavy lines>
Day 10 - Fly <wherever>-LON. Probably arrive on Day 11 tired. Go home/office and drop off luggage.
Day 11 - Fly LON-DUB early afternoon, then back in the evening. Go home, sleep well.
(You could even make the LON-DUB another day return on day 12, if you feel like it.)
The key for me is to get back home on that first evening - it really makes the start of the Long Haul a lot less stressful (as well a not having to worry too much about missing one of the Back-to-Back flights.
#1630
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Agreed, this is the way to go (if you can manage the extra day);
Day 1 (positioning) - Fly LON-DUB in the morning, do some work, see the sights, have lunch, whatever.
Day 1 (start of long-haul) - Fly DUB-LON in the evening. Go home & sleep in your own bed, see your family, etc.
Day 2 - Fly LON-<wherever> (with hold luggage if necessary). Do whatever you have to do.
<wavy lines>
Day 10 - Fly <wherever>-LON. Probably arrive on Day 11 tired. Go home/office and drop off luggage.
Day 11 - Fly LON-DUB early afternoon, then back in the evening. Go home, sleep well.
(You could even make the LON-DUB another day return on day 12, if you feel like it.)
The key for me is to get back home on that first evening - it really makes the start of the Long Haul a lot less stressful (as well a not having to worry too much about missing one of the Back-to-Back flights.
Day 1 (positioning) - Fly LON-DUB in the morning, do some work, see the sights, have lunch, whatever.
Day 1 (start of long-haul) - Fly DUB-LON in the evening. Go home & sleep in your own bed, see your family, etc.
Day 2 - Fly LON-<wherever> (with hold luggage if necessary). Do whatever you have to do.
<wavy lines>
Day 10 - Fly <wherever>-LON. Probably arrive on Day 11 tired. Go home/office and drop off luggage.
Day 11 - Fly LON-DUB early afternoon, then back in the evening. Go home, sleep well.
(You could even make the LON-DUB another day return on day 12, if you feel like it.)
The key for me is to get back home on that first evening - it really makes the start of the Long Haul a lot less stressful (as well a not having to worry too much about missing one of the Back-to-Back flights.
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How comfortable would people be with BA832 landing 08:45 on a Sunday, to take the BA833 departing 9:20 back to LHR if HBO? 35 minutes. Or should I EI out arriving 08:05? 1'15"?
Thanks for your thoughts. Off to PHL. I could take an AA plane 2 hours later but the BA one has F UUA.
Thanks for your thoughts. Off to PHL. I could take an AA plane 2 hours later but the BA one has F UUA.
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How comfortable would people be with BA832 landing 08:45 on a Sunday, to take the BA833 departing 9:20 back to LHR if HBO? 35 minutes. Or should I EI out arriving 08:05? 1'15"?
Thanks for your thoughts. Off to PHL. I could take an AA plane 2 hours later but the BA one has F UUA.
Thanks for your thoughts. Off to PHL. I could take an AA plane 2 hours later but the BA one has F UUA.
Fly to DUB the night before. Or if the AA flight DUB-PHL is on one of the A330, stick with it.
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