Jan 3, 2015, 4:45 am
Last edit by: TravellerFrequently
2015 POUG rate tracker
Please add your own successful results to the follow list including the month/year when the POUG was offered to you.
POUGs are offered via BA.com and the App Manage My Booking via a distinctive banner. You cannot get a POUG by telephoning, however the service centres can complete a POUG which falls over mid transaction. They are offered on cash and Avios redemptions but typically not on complex routings, BA Holidays or travel agency bookings until OLCI stage. POUGs on Avios redemptions won't get you additional TPs/Avios, but they will on revenue tickets.
Short haul routes from LON to/from Europe
A price in pounds indicates a ticket issued from London, other currencies indicate prices for tickets issued overseas (e.g. singles or returns originating from CDG priced in Euros). Multiple prices indicate a range of fares are on offer. Note that LCY prices currently seem to be on a different basis to LGW and LHR (cheaper, in other words).
Long haul routes from LON to North America
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes from LON to South America
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes from LON to Asia
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes from LON to Australia and Oceania
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes from LON to Africa and Middle East
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes to LON
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
POUG terms and conditions can be found by clicking here.
Please add your own successful results to the follow list including the month/year when the POUG was offered to you.
POUGs are offered via BA.com and the App Manage My Booking via a distinctive banner. You cannot get a POUG by telephoning, however the service centres can complete a POUG which falls over mid transaction. They are offered on cash and Avios redemptions but typically not on complex routings, BA Holidays or travel agency bookings until OLCI stage. POUGs on Avios redemptions won't get you additional TPs/Avios, but they will on revenue tickets.
Short haul routes from LON to/from Europe
A price in pounds indicates a ticket issued from London, other currencies indicate prices for tickets issued overseas (e.g. singles or returns originating from CDG priced in Euros). Multiple prices indicate a range of fares are on offer. Note that LCY prices currently seem to be on a different basis to LGW and LHR (cheaper, in other words).
- ACE – £119 (May 2015)
- AGP – £99/€119 (Dec 2014) £179 (July 2015)
- AMS - £109 (LHR Dec 2015 - both ways for Jan 2016), £69 for LCY (Jan 2015), €89 to LGW both ways (Jul 2015) £79 from LGW (May 2015), €90 to LHR (May 2015)
- AMS - £79 (Jan 2015) ex LGW - return also offered
- ANE - €79 (Mar 2015) to LCY
- ARN - £105 / LHR-ARN B767 (Mar 2015) £72 LHR-ARN (May 2015)
- ATH - £109 (Oct 2014) / £179 (Jan 15), £160 (Apr 2015), €280 to LHR (May 2015)
- BCN – €139 (Jan 2015) £89 (Feb 2015 LHR-BCN) £115 (Apr 2015 BCN-LHR), £89 (Apr 2015 LGW)
- BGO - £75 and £65 (Jan 2015 and Apr 2015)
- BOD - £104 from HBO (Feb 2015)
- BRI - £119 / €144 (Dec 2014)
- BRU - £105 (Feb 2015) /£120 (March 2015) /€135 (Jan 2015) / £115 (Jun 2015)
- BSL - CHF120 (Dec 2014) / CHF190 (Sep 2015)
- BUD - £89 also £105 (Dec 2014) and £120 (Jan 2015)
- CDG - €115 (Dec 2014), £75 (Mar 2015) £99 (April 2015), £80 (Jul 2015). £89 (Dec 2015)
- CMF - £69 (Dec 2014) Note LCY.
- CPH - £129 (Nov 2014) £125 (Jan 2015) 950 DKK (£95 - Jul 2015), £159 (Apr 2015), £120 (May 2015)
- CTA - £119/€144 (Dec 2014 and June 2015)
- DBV - £89 LGW (Nov 2015)
- DUB – €119 (to LHR, Dec 2015), £80 and £95 LHR (Jan & Mar 2015) £99 (Nov 2014); £95 LCY (Jan 2015), £80 LCY (Mar 2015), £105 (Apr 2015), €105 (to LHR, June 2015), £115 (LHR, Jun/Jul 2015)
- DUS - €125 (Jan 2015) €79 to LCY (Apr 2015) £69 to LCY (May 2015)
- FCO - £170 (Dec 2014) / €155 LHR & €109 LGW (Mar 2015), £155 (Apr 2015)
- FRA - €145 (to LHR, Dec 2015), £105 (Jan 2015) £109 (Nov 2015)
- GIB - £140 Dec 2014)
- GOT – £90 (Jan 2015) £79 (Nov 2014), SEK 990/GBP 76 (Oct 2015)
- GVA - £79/£89 (Nov 2014) £105 (Jan 2015) £120 (May 2015 from HBO) £105 both ways (05/15)
- HAM - £90 both ways (Jan 2015) £79 both ways (Sep 15 from HBO)
- HEL – €155 back (Dec 2014) £130 (July 2015, HEL-LHR)
- INN – £89/€109 back (Dec 2014)
- IST - £130 both ways (May 2015) £150 (May 2015, IST-LHR)
- JER - £99 (Jan 2015), £79 (Mar 2015), £79 (Oct 2015), £79 (Nove 2015)
- LCA – £210 (Feb2015)
- LED - £189 (Oct 2015)
- LIN – £175 (Jan 2015), £189 (Nov 2015)
- LIS – £80/£119/£145 (Nov 2014 / Dec 2014), £145 (Jul 2015 & Jan 2016)
- LPA - €125 back to LHR (May 2015)
- LUX - £120 offered to LHR (Feb 2015)
- MAD - £110 to LHR (Mar 2015 from HBO), £75 exLHR (June 2015), €89 MAD-LCY-MAD for Oct 2015
- MAH - £69 (Apr 2015). Note LCY.
- MLA - €154 (Jan 2015), €119 (Oct 2015)
- MUC - £105 (May 2015), £109 (Sep 2015 from HBO)
- MXP - £180 (Jan 2015)
- NCE - £140 (Dec 2014), £114 ex-LGW £145 to LHR (Apr 2015 from HBO)
- ORY - £99 (Jan 2015), £69 (Mar 2015) £90 April 2015
- OSL - NOK1200 = £100 (Feb 2015), £120 (May 2015), £91 (Aug 2015), £159 (Jan & Mar 2016 )
- OTP - £185 (Jan 2015)
- PFO - £119 (Sep 2015)
- PMI - £69 (Mar 2015), €79 (Mar 2015). Note LCY. PMI-LHR €175 (Mar 2015) / EUR 180 (Apr 2015) / EUR 205 (Oct 2015)
- PRG - £79/£120 (Dec 2014/Jan 2015), £149 (Dec 2015)
- PSA - £165 (Feb 2015), £89 (Oct 2015)
- RTM - £65 (Jan 2015, ex LHR)
- SVG - NOK 720 (Dec 2015), NOK 720 (Aug 2015), £99 each way (Dec 2015)
- SZG - £114 (Dec 2014)
- TIA – £99/€119 (Dec 2014) €159 (Mar 2015)
- TXL – £115 (Dec 2015) / €150 (Jan 2015) / £120 (Feb/Mar 2015) / €125 (Apr 2015) / £119 July 2015
- UIP - £69 (Mar 2015). Note LCY.
- VCE - £145 (Jan 2015)
- VIE – £149 (Aug '15) £135 (July '15) £145 (Jan '15) £99 and £129 (Nov 14)
- VRN - £89 / €109 (Dec 2014)
- WAW - £139 for LHR-WAW-LHR Oct 2015, 475 PLN (£79) for WAW-LHR (Jan 2016)
- ZAG - £89 for ZAG-LHR Aug 2015, €130 ZAG-LHR Nov 2015
- ZRH – £87 / CHF135 (Dec 14) LCY flights £69 (Nov 2014), £105 (LHR, Jul 2015)
Long haul routes from LON to North America
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- AUS - WTP $229 (Nov 2015), CW £473 (Feb 2015)
- BOS - WTP $189 (Apr 2015)
- JFK – WTP £147 (Jan and Apr 2015)
- IAD – WTP $288 (Jan 2015)
- LAS – WTP £198 (Aug 2015)
- LAX - CW £540 (Feb 2015)
- ORD - CW GBP 473 (Nov 2015)
- SFO – WTP $310 (Nov 2015)
- YUL – CW £405 (Jan 2015 - Post #95)
- YYZ - CW GBP 350 (Jun 2015)
Long haul routes from LON to South America
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Long haul routes from LON to Asia
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- BOM –WTP £168 (Dec 2015)
- PVG – CW £440 (Jan 2015)
- HKG - WTP £207 (Jan 2015)
- NRT - WTP £207 (Apr 2015)
- BKK - WTP £229 (Aug 2016)
Long haul routes from LON to Australia and Oceania
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- LHR-SYD – WTP £159 (Apr 2015)
Long haul routes from LON to Africa and Middle East
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- DXB – WTP £150 (Jan 2015)
- DXB – CW £499 (Feb 2015)
- TLV - WTP £153 (Apr 2015)
Long haul routes to LON
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- BOS - WTP $189 (Apr 2015), F $850 then $763 (Nov 2015)
- DME - WTP £145 (Nov 2015)
- DXB – CW £499 (Jan 2015)
- DXB – CW £299 (Nov 2015)
- GIG – F £447 (Jan 2015)
- HKG – WTP £161 (Jan 2015)
- HKG - CW £540 (Mar 2015)
- HKG - CW £599 (Mar 2015 for travel in April)
- IAD - WTP £185 (Apr 2015)
- JFK – WTP £168 (Jan 2015)
- JFK – F £508 (Dec 2015)
- MCO - WTP £170 (Sep 2015)
- MIA - WTP £176 (Nov 2015)
- ORD - CW GBP 473 (Nov 2015) increased to GBP 525 in 4 hours.
- PEK - CW GBP 549 (Aug 2015)
- SFO – WTP $310 (Nov 2015)
- SIN – CW £549 (Mar 2015)
- SIN – WTP £198 (Jun 2015)
- SYD – CW £500 (Jan 2015)
- YYZ - CW GBP 450 (Jun 2015)
- YYZ – CW C$723 (Nov 2015)
- YYZ - WTP GBP 189 (Jun 2015)
POUG terms and conditions can be found by clicking here.
Pro-active Online Upgrade (POUG) tracking and discussion | 2015 thread
Jan 7, 2015, 4:07 am
#31
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Programs: IC Hotels Spire, BA Gold
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Am wondering what the justification is by BA for the circa 50-70% hike in the Y>>CE POUG pricing in the past few months. For example, my usual LHR-VIE and LHR-OSL sectors have always been £89 each way when available but are now up to £130 and LHR-AMS and LHR-BRU are now £120 each way, this is up from £69 previously.
Needless to say, I have completely stopped buying POUG as they are no longer value for money, particularly with the recent CE "enhancements" of extra legroom no longer being a differentiator.
So have taken 4 BA return flights since the pricing changes and have been deliberately peeking at the CE occupancy to see the effect. And I do notice a big difference - CE has never been more than 50% full on these 8 sectors. But before the POUG pricing changes CE was always 70% to 100% full I recall. Now I know that 8 sectors is not a conclusive sample and there may be many other reasons too - but they are my usual regular flights so it is at least a realistic observation.
To me as both a pax and IAG shareholder, it seems BA are leaving the proverbial "money on the table" now....they certainly are from me! I always did POUG at the previous £69 / £89 level on one sector of each flight, but have not bought a single one since these massive price changes. And they certainly are massive....and at a time when the CE differential is actually reducing too.
Any thoughts and speculation as to the BA strategy for this?
Needless to say, I have completely stopped buying POUG as they are no longer value for money, particularly with the recent CE "enhancements" of extra legroom no longer being a differentiator.
So have taken 4 BA return flights since the pricing changes and have been deliberately peeking at the CE occupancy to see the effect. And I do notice a big difference - CE has never been more than 50% full on these 8 sectors. But before the POUG pricing changes CE was always 70% to 100% full I recall. Now I know that 8 sectors is not a conclusive sample and there may be many other reasons too - but they are my usual regular flights so it is at least a realistic observation.
To me as both a pax and IAG shareholder, it seems BA are leaving the proverbial "money on the table" now....they certainly are from me! I always did POUG at the previous £69 / £89 level on one sector of each flight, but have not bought a single one since these massive price changes. And they certainly are massive....and at a time when the CE differential is actually reducing too.
Any thoughts and speculation as to the BA strategy for this?
Jan 7, 2015, 4:15 am
#32
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Any thoughts and speculation as to the BA strategy for this?
Jan 7, 2015, 4:19 am
#33
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Programs: BA BLUE BADGE
Posts: 1,324
The POUG for LHR-LCA was £99 for years until midway through last year.
I have a flight coming up soon and have been offered £210.
I'm currently in the exit seat which are the same seats as the ones upfront (on the 767 windows). I get lounge access and speedy boarding anyway.
BA is officially off its trolley.
I have a flight coming up soon and have been offered £210.
I'm currently in the exit seat which are the same seats as the ones upfront (on the 767 windows). I get lounge access and speedy boarding anyway.
BA is officially off its trolley.
Jan 7, 2015, 4:21 am
#34
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Posts: 63,850
There was a bit of discussion about this in last year's thread. What seems to have happened is that for LGW and LHR a policy decision has been made to ensure that HBO + POUG is not cheaper than the Saturday Night Club Europe return.
Here is the CWS POUG Estimation Methodology.
and here is a BA URL to help work it out.
It works in both directions, see last year's thread about buying singles to reduce the cost.
It's not failsafe, e.g. DUB, but it explains a lot of other cases. SOF, for example, has a lot cheaper than OTP, because OTP has a relatively expensive CE weekend cost for some reason (perhaps the weak competition).
Here is the CWS POUG Estimation Methodology.
and here is a BA URL to help work it out.
It works in both directions, see last year's thread about buying singles to reduce the cost.
It's not failsafe, e.g. DUB, but it explains a lot of other cases. SOF, for example, has a lot cheaper than OTP, because OTP has a relatively expensive CE weekend cost for some reason (perhaps the weak competition).
Jan 7, 2015, 4:46 am
#35
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Programs: IC Hotels Spire, BA Gold
Posts: 8,669
Exactly my policy now since the POUG changes. I normally book my flights some 2-3 weeks out and always travel singly so I simply select a Y exit row seat at the time of booking. Never failed to get an exit row yet ^
Jan 7, 2015, 5:04 am
#36
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,779
I've probably said this in the previous thread, but it's not encouraging me to pay to upgrade.
I think we're being totally spoilt with these cheap TP runs at present.
When you're paying something like £1100 for 1200+ TP Vs. £250 for an extra 60TP in CE which could be a super new reduced legroom A320 seat, the justification just isn't there, for me at least.
I've got exit seats (or row 1 on domestics) booked on every upcoming domestic / ET flight so I'm fine there.
I think we're being totally spoilt with these cheap TP runs at present.
When you're paying something like £1100 for 1200+ TP Vs. £250 for an extra 60TP in CE which could be a super new reduced legroom A320 seat, the justification just isn't there, for me at least.
I've got exit seats (or row 1 on domestics) booked on every upcoming domestic / ET flight so I'm fine there.
Jan 7, 2015, 1:16 pm
#37
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Jan 7, 2015, 1:42 pm
#38
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Location: London
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Regardless, the need to offer cheap upgrade options has softened.
Jan 8, 2015, 7:12 am
#39
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: London/Helsinki
Programs: BA GGL, AA Lifetime Gold, AF Silver
Posts: 10
HEL-LHR EUR 155 (December 2014)
Jan 8, 2015, 7:48 am
#40
Join Date: Dec 2014
Programs: BAEC (although I might just cut up the card)
Posts: 338
There's nothing special about it any more.
It's a shame, since I was happy to spend a bit of my own money to get CE out of work travel when there was a decent deal there. But now, there's really nothing in it for me.
Jan 8, 2015, 8:16 am
#41
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 323
I've been offered WT-WTP LHR-DXB for £160 Jan15, DXB-LHR £150
Jan 8, 2015, 9:15 am
#42
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: London
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 2,644
For a booking in June, BCN is £130 to CE each way
"Stretch out and enjoy more legroom and a wider seat. Enjoy a traditional English afternoon tea."
Mmm, tempting! £130 for afternooon tea.
£170 LHR-FCO in March
No offer for FLR-LCY in March
No offer for LHR-BIO-LHR in March, although possibly because the route has yet to launch
No offer for LHR-TLS-LHR in April
Small sample size, but prices seem a lot higher than in the past.
"Stretch out and enjoy more legroom and a wider seat. Enjoy a traditional English afternoon tea."
Mmm, tempting! £130 for afternooon tea.
£170 LHR-FCO in March
No offer for FLR-LCY in March
No offer for LHR-BIO-LHR in March, although possibly because the route has yet to launch
No offer for LHR-TLS-LHR in April
Small sample size, but prices seem a lot higher than in the past.
Jan 8, 2015, 1:53 pm
#43
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: London
Posts: 6,265
I'm flying to AMS this weekend on a HBO ex LHR bought at the beginning of week. POUG has constantly been offered at £90, but has now dropped to £75 in the last few hours.
Jan 8, 2015, 6:03 pm
#45
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Buckinghamshire
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Posts: 2,303
Here's a good one for ya:
LHR-LIS:
Booked 8/10/14 for outbound 28/4/15
First offered POUG for £80, then a few weeks later £99, then £145, now down to £130.
The mind continues to boggle..
LHR-LIS:
Booked 8/10/14 for outbound 28/4/15
First offered POUG for £80, then a few weeks later £99, then £145, now down to £130.
The mind continues to boggle..