ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Jun 23, 2014, 10:14 pm
#1666
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 7,710
... says another guy from BOS?!? Most US flights touch a hub, but exceptions like BOS exist in the US system, but not on the AA side.
Jun 24, 2014, 7:48 am
#1667
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PHL
Posts: 2,842
It is being reported that a 2nd daily PHL-TLV will start in July '15. Should be interesting if it sticks or there will be further changes.
Jun 24, 2014, 9:33 am
#1668
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 414
Do you have a source? I am surprised that AA would launch a 2nd daily PHL-TLV before launching MIA-TLV.
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Jun 24, 2014, 10:03 am
#1669
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: AA 1.6MM EXP; UA GS; SPG LTG,Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
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Jun 24, 2014, 12:10 pm
#1671
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: BOS
Programs: Marriott LTG, HHonors Diamond, Nat'l Exec
Posts: 3,581
There are some assorted exceptions on the AA side as well -- DCA-RDU, DCA-BNA, DCA-STL, BOS-CDG come to mind -- with a similarly trivial total count.
Where US went a step further than AA was in closing non-hub crew bases -- including in BOS.
In any case, the strategy certainly wasn't a new discovery for Parker.
I will edit my post.
Jun 24, 2014, 6:09 pm
#1673
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That was US' official figure reported after the DL slot swap. It might round better to 98%, but either way it's only around 50 flights a day that don't touch a (pre-merger) hub, including the BOS-LGA shuttle.
There are some assorted exceptions on the AA side as well -- DCA-RDU, DCA-BNA, DCA-STL, BOS-CDG come to mind -- with a similarly trivial total count.
Where US went a step further than AA was in closing non-hub crew bases -- including in BOS.
In any case, the strategy certainly wasn't a new discovery for Parker.
There are some assorted exceptions on the AA side as well -- DCA-RDU, DCA-BNA, DCA-STL, BOS-CDG come to mind -- with a similarly trivial total count.
Where US went a step further than AA was in closing non-hub crew bases -- including in BOS.
In any case, the strategy certainly wasn't a new discovery for Parker.
Jun 25, 2014, 1:17 am
#1674
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: BOS
Programs: Marriott LTG, HHonors Diamond, Nat'l Exec
Posts: 3,581
The BOS and PIT flights seem like a lot of destinations, but none have very many frequencies. (BOS-LGA being the obvious exception.)
Jun 25, 2014, 8:49 am
#1675
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: BOS-DCA
Programs: AA ExePlat
Posts: 217
That would leave just a few legacy flights from PIT and BOS.
Jun 25, 2014, 10:13 am
#1676
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Location: LAX; AA EXP, MM; HH Gold
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I'm not certain, but the PIT and BOS regional flights to non-hubs may be operated by the regional carriers on an at-risk basis, which means that the regional airline has decided to fly those routes, not US Airways. They display the US code and US handles the sales and marketing, but unlike the vast majority of regional operations, US doesn't call the shots. Some may be EAS routes.
Jun 25, 2014, 10:17 am
#1677
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: los angeles, calif.
Programs: Alaska Airlines Gold MVP
Posts: 7,170
None are EAS. STLPIT I believe is flown at risk and shuttles planes between two maintenance bases, but the rest is not, IIRC.
Jun 25, 2014, 11:56 am
#1678
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
For the US side and I'm pretty sure it applies to the AA side, RJ's are fee pre departure and turboprops are at risk. One has to understand that fee per departure isn't as simple as it sounds - it's not a set amount of dollars per departure. Rather, the fee is calculated for each departure using a formula that considers the length of the flight, the type of plane, etc. One variable in the formula could be whether the flight is a positioning flight. So different routes would have a different fee for each departure, including whether a flight is a positioning flight for the operator's convenience/maintenance. In addition to the calculated fee, there are pass through costs - costs which are passed on the the mainline partner. Fuel is one example, but not the only pass through cost.
For accounting purposes, this applies whether the operator is contract or wholly owned.
Jim
For accounting purposes, this applies whether the operator is contract or wholly owned.
Jim
Jun 25, 2014, 2:34 pm
#1679
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 7,710
Are all of the US and Mesa operated flights from LAX and MIA to spoke cities really operating as pure US flights from AA hubs?
Jun 26, 2014, 11:03 am
#1680
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
Mainline US operated flights will be US until a single operating certificate is approved by the FAA. I don't know what you mean by "pure" but assume all/most will be codeshares so have AA and US flight numbers.
Mesa, being a contract carrier, can legally operate as AA or US branded, again most likely with codeshare flight numbers, i.e. an AA and a US flight number. All express carriers actually operate using their carrier's code for ATC purposes since they are separate certificated carriers. For example, I think PSA uses "Bluestreak xxxx" as it's ATC call sign - at least it used to.
The individual carriers that make up the new Eagle, as opposed to the old eagle airline, each have their individual ATC code although all are marketed as Eagle.
Jim
Mesa, being a contract carrier, can legally operate as AA or US branded, again most likely with codeshare flight numbers, i.e. an AA and a US flight number. All express carriers actually operate using their carrier's code for ATC purposes since they are separate certificated carriers. For example, I think PSA uses "Bluestreak xxxx" as it's ATC call sign - at least it used to.
The individual carriers that make up the new Eagle, as opposed to the old eagle airline, each have their individual ATC code although all are marketed as Eagle.
Jim