ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Jun 19, 2014, 9:06 pm
#1636
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ROC/NYC/MSP/LAX/HKG/SIN
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A sidenote: PIT-LAX was kept pushing earlier, but at least I can still see them around. I actually liked the evening schedule, but they must have a reason for earlier departures. I am not entirely sure if that will help the pax to connect through LAX, but almost all the destinations from LAX have late evening schedule.
Jun 19, 2014, 9:28 pm
#1637
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Why would they add yvr when they have a great partnership with AS?
Yeg and sat while a nice addition are a looong ride on rj..
And then of course we have to deal with that awful eagle nest...
Yeg and sat while a nice addition are a looong ride on rj..
And then of course we have to deal with that awful eagle nest...
Jun 19, 2014, 9:39 pm
#1638
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ROC/NYC/MSP/LAX/HKG/SIN
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Relax...At least AA isn't doing what DL is doing.
YVR isn't really an AS hub.
Jun 19, 2014, 10:25 pm
#1639
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
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I think it may be legal as long as AA didn't sell tickets between YVR and another point in Canada or a third country.
So tickets for:
U.S. - YVR is OK
YVR - U.S. is OK
U.S. - YVR - third country is OK if connecting in YVR.
U.S. -YVR - U.S. is OK if connecting in YVR.
YVR - another point in Canada is a no-no.
YVR - third country is a no-no
The reason no one does #2 & #3 is that without a hub in YVR you're depending on connecting traffic for the Asian service - generally lower yield traffic.
AC has a similar problem - legally they can carry passengers from a U.S. city to Canada and from Canada to a different U.S. city but it has to be on two separate tickets since otherwise it'd be cabotage for them to carry passengers between two U.S. cities on one ticket. You can imagine how little traffic they get for that kind of service.
Jim
So tickets for:
U.S. - YVR is OK
YVR - U.S. is OK
U.S. - YVR - third country is OK if connecting in YVR.
U.S. -YVR - U.S. is OK if connecting in YVR.
YVR - another point in Canada is a no-no.
YVR - third country is a no-no
The reason no one does #2 & #3 is that without a hub in YVR you're depending on connecting traffic for the Asian service - generally lower yield traffic.
AC has a similar problem - legally they can carry passengers from a U.S. city to Canada and from Canada to a different U.S. city but it has to be on two separate tickets since otherwise it'd be cabotage for them to carry passengers between two U.S. cities on one ticket. You can imagine how little traffic they get for that kind of service.
Jim
Jun 19, 2014, 10:47 pm
#1640
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Jose, Costa Rica
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From my experience, absolutely none. Most crews, unless they live there and use it for commuting reasons, could care less about individual routes besides "pride" and "water cooler gossip".
Although what I have found is it gives them an excuse to do some "management bashing" on how they would have done it differently if they were in charge of things, or how the route never should have started.
Although what I have found is it gives them an excuse to do some "management bashing" on how they would have done it differently if they were in charge of things, or how the route never should have started.
Jun 19, 2014, 11:45 pm
#1641
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 97
anyway as an AA PLT Id rather stick with AS as mileage is qualifying and double for status and AS always gets thrown into the mix with ONE WORLD for any continuation out of LAX
Rather fly new big metal with AS rather than CRJ
Jun 20, 2014, 4:14 am
#1642
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: YYJ
Posts: 4,137
AA used to use YVR as a pseudo-hub to Asia with CP metal.
HP used to do YVR-LAX.
US used to do YVR-PHL.
There is potential.
HP used to do YVR-LAX.
US used to do YVR-PHL.
There is potential.
Jun 20, 2014, 4:26 am
#1643
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: YYJ
Posts: 4,137
AC abandoning the route might have something to do with it. WestJet also codeshares with AA on this route.
Jun 20, 2014, 7:52 am
#1644
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
To be fair, YVR was at one point the equivalent of a AS hub. Service to LAX (up to 6x p/day), LAS, SAN, SFO, SEA, PDX, ANC, PHX and SNA (which lasted a day). Had a Board Room which just closed a few years ago, and an airport map of YVR was shown in the AS magazine of hub airports. YVR had some significance for AS until ops wound down in the late 00s.
I'm intrigued to see if there will be any response by AS to AA and DL starting LAX-YVR later this year.
I'm intrigued to see if there will be any response by AS to AA and DL starting LAX-YVR later this year.
Jun 20, 2014, 9:38 am
#1645
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Location: High Point, NC
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As long as AA is content with 100% connecting traffic to Asia. Back when airlines had scheduled fuel stops in ANC and FAI because only the 747SP had the range for U.S.-Asia, it would have been competitive but with the longer range planes available today the scheduled fuel stop has all but disappeared and a 100% connecting hub still has the revenue problem.
Jim
Jim
Jun 20, 2014, 9:56 am
#1646
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MCI is a low yielding market and is outside the top 10 O&D's by traffic not served by AA out of LAX; OMA is outside the top 25. Other priorities there, including potentially SEA and PDX (although AS partnership plays a role in that decision).
BDL-LAX has indeed been cancelled. Whether it will come back next summer hasn't been decided yet.
BDL-LAX has indeed been cancelled. Whether it will come back next summer hasn't been decided yet.
Jun 20, 2014, 10:47 am
#1647
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 207
Don't know about AmericaWest but Western used to fly YEG-LAX (and its hub at SLC) as well as from YYC. At one time the evening flight went LAX-YYC-YEG (and YEG-YYC-LAX the next morning). YEG bound passengers stayed on the plane when it reached YYC and flew on to clear customs/immigration at YEG. DL ultimately abandoned YEG completely a few years after the merger.
AA started flying DFW-YEG in April with A319s so adding LAX is another small step to increasing service into western Canada.
AA started flying DFW-YEG in April with A319s so adding LAX is another small step to increasing service into western Canada.
New Nonstop Service from...
Los Angeles to Canada & Mexico
New Service to Edmonton, Vancouver, Mazatlán and Puerto Vallarta.
Plus, increased nonstop service to New York (JFK), Boston and Las Vegas.
New Service
America West is adding nonstop service between Los Angeles (LAX) and four new international destinations. Service to Edmonton, Canada and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico begin June 4, 2004. Service to Vancouver, Canada and Mazatlán, Mexico begin June 11, 2004.
The new nonstop service between LAX and all four international destinations will be provided by America West Express, operated by Mesa Airlines, or Freedom Airlines utilizing 80-seat Canadair Regional Jet aircraft. Scroll down to see the new service flight schedule listed below.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ain?id=1450881
Jun 20, 2014, 11:54 am
#1648
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Ah yes back when HP tried to make LAX a focus city. They even had LAX-JFK/BOS flights for a while there.
Jun 20, 2014, 11:56 am
#1649
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Jun 20, 2014, 12:18 pm
#1650
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