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Old Jun 17, 2014, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10
I do help AA pours some money into CLT... The gates aren't big enough to handle A-321s...
Yes, in the mid-1980s concourses B and C were rebuilt for Piedmont which was flying mostly 737-200's at that time. But the same situation exists at ORD.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by ccengct
Yes, in the mid-1980s concourses B and C were rebuilt for Piedmont which was flying mostly 737-200's at that time. But the same situation exists at ORD.
Actually, Eastern was the original tenet of B with maybe a gate or two common use. PI had all of C, but both B and C were shorter than they are now - late 80's expansion. I know the D and E didn't originally exist and I'm not sure about A - maybe that's where anyone but EA and PI operated - but I think it was added later.

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Old Jun 17, 2014, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
Donno. Sticking to brand loyalty? Keeping revenue within AA as opposed to BA? Topping off a flight which is going to have to fight for O/D traffic. You're going to be hard pressed to find 250 local passengers to fill the plane. This would potentially allow you to go from a flight that loses money to one that makes money...
Let's see. So we want to add a one off flight at a non-hub (competitor's hub) which
is going to have to fight for O/D traffic
and then try to fill it with lower-yield connecting passengers using a unique, wildly inefficient and error-prone transfer strategy while ignoring several other far superior connection options.

Did I get it all?

AA is not all things to all people. TATL from the DC area is not exactly in its sweet spot now (nor low-hanging fruit). If AA wants to fight UA at IAD at some point, maybe then, and not with a single TATL. And not with bused connections from DCA.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
Donno. Sticking to brand loyalty? Keeping revenue within AA as opposed to BA?
My understanding is that under the AA/BA JV, AA wouldn't get any more revenue by operating the flight themselves.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 7:51 pm
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Since this is all about speculation, bordering on wishlisting, here's my 2nd entry:

- AS/DL partnership disintergrates.
- AS/AA become closer (perhaps taking steps toward oneworld entry... if SriLankan can do it, why not Alaska?).
- To support AS's fight against DL over SEA, AA launches international 788/789 flights ex-SEA, with AS providing feeder and connection service.
- QF launches their 787s from SYD. BA is already there from LHR.

SEA becomes the newest oneworld hub.
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by LAXative
SEA becomes the newest oneworld hub.
Will NEVER happen. New AA management has already shown its utter unwillingness to compete with Delta, having almost immediately cancelled LGA-ATL, LGA-MSP, LGA-DTW and replaced them with flights to small towns in VA and NC with no/less competition.
Last edited by SJC AA; Jun 18, 2014 at 11:54 am Reason: No need for disparaging remarks about smaller towns
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Old Jun 17, 2014, 11:16 pm
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Originally Posted by LAXative
Since this is all about speculation, bordering on wishlisting, here's my 2nd entry:

- AS/DL partnership disintergrates.
- AS/AA become closer (perhaps taking steps toward oneworld entry... if SriLankan can do it, why not Alaska?).
- To support AS's fight against DL over SEA, AA launches international 788/789 flights ex-SEA, with AS providing feeder and connection service.
- QF launches their 787s from SYD. BA is already there from LHR.

SEA becomes the newest oneworld hub.
This I can see in a few years if the integration goes well and newAA starts looking for growth. Asia is obvious, less obvious is where the Asia hub should be. ORD works for the right half of the country, less well for the left half. LAX lacks gates (for now) and adds a heck of a detour relative to SEA and even SFO.

Add a CX and maybe a QR connection to the list above, and perhaps own metal to PEK/PVG/TYO/HKG plus a few others, and then a bit more feed to supplement AS, and we have ourselves an OW hub.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by SJC AA
Will NEVER happen. New AA management has already shown its utter unwillingness to compete with Delta, having almost immediately cancelled LGA-ATL, LGA-MSP, LGA-DTW and replaced them with flights to small towns in VA and NC with no/less competition.
LGA-DTW still exists
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 6:10 am
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Originally Posted by SJC AA
Will NEVER happen. New AA management has already shown its utter unwillingness to compete with Delta, having almost immediately cancelled LGA-ATL, LGA-MSP, LGA-DTW and replaced them with flights to small towns VA and NC with no/less competition.
Yes. Why on earth would AA want to operate routes with no competition as opposed to going head-to-head with DL (as well as WN) to their major hub cities? What are they thinking!!!
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
Yes. Why on earth would AA want to operate routes with no competition as opposed to going head-to-head with DL (as well as WN) to their major hub cities? What are they thinking!!!
+1 This is a sign that AA is making smart decisions that will make them profitable. Oh and, perhaps the OP missed this, AA lost slots in the merger process -- so it's natural that they would cut the most unprofitable/least profitable flights at LGA.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by CMK10
LGA-DTW still exists
Yep... and they launched LGA-RIC which also directly competes with DL... Thank You AA!
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by CMK10
LGA-DTW still exists
Sorry, confused DTW with CLE. The point about avoiding competition with other major airlines stands.

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Old Jun 18, 2014, 11:42 am
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Please keep on topic of discussing routes/flights and hubs (the topic of this thread) and do so in a courteous and professional manner. Remember that people live in cities large and small, and there is no need to cast any city in a poor light by using disparaging terminology, even if the particular route is not one that you use/would use/find useful.

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Old Jun 18, 2014, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
Yes. Why on earth would AA want to operate routes with no competition as opposed to going head-to-head with DL (as well as WN) to their major hub cities? What are they thinking!!!
Well, except there is competition on eight of the ten routes AA just launched from LaGuardia.
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Old Jun 19, 2014, 10:05 am
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AA Announces LAX-SAT, TPA, YEG & YVR
Looks like AA is going to start adding new dots on the map with the YV CR9s out of LAX.

Edmonton, Alberta operated daily, beginning Oct. 2
San Antonio operated twice daily, beginning Oct. 2
Tampa, Florida operated daily, beginning Nov. 6
Vancouver, British Columbia operated twice daily, beginning Oct. 2

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...160000725.html

Just a matter of time for MCI and OMA, IMHO.
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