Change to Fare Classes and Class of Service Bonuses (3/31/21)
Jan 24, 2021, 3:34 pm
#61
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Wait... who said it's illegal?
Jan 24, 2021, 3:36 pm
#62
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Now you're one spreading fake news. Nobody is saying that this is illegal, just extremely bad faith and poor communication by AS. You're the one defending some nameless corporations instead of advocating for your rights.
Jan 24, 2021, 3:37 pm
#63
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unexpected, not right, whatever.
Announcing it by email would have been useful, but again, I struggle to think of a single precedent for something like this. Did they do this for any other earnings chart change in the past? Does any airline? Only thing I can think of is when DL and friends were completely removed.
Announcing it by email would have been useful, but again, I struggle to think of a single precedent for something like this. Did they do this for any other earnings chart change in the past? Does any airline? Only thing I can think of is when DL and friends were completely removed.
Jan 24, 2021, 3:38 pm
#64
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you keep talking about rights. What rights? Have you bothered to read the MP terms, ever? You don’t even own your miles.
Jan 24, 2021, 3:40 pm
#65
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But it was doable nevertheless? AS has enough resources to make it happen and they choose not to. They don't even send out any communication with those already booked in I about the lower earnings. I have to learn about this through ft. I'm so over people taking side of these greedy corporations instead of having some dignity and standing up for your own consumer rights.
AS sold us a bill of goods on the days we respectively purchased our tickets. Just simply perform. Many of us have mapped out our travel and earnings strategies for the year. It isn't like a major storm just hit, the bridge washed out and the detour is 200 miles out of the way. The "major storm" was 2020.
Jan 24, 2021, 3:51 pm
#66
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Ok you win. I have no consumer rights whatsoever. At least I have some agency instead of blindly bowing to the corporate overlords.
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Jan 24, 2021, 4:00 pm
#67
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Well, better late than never I guess. Meanwhile whenever I book my tickets more than 2-3 months out on any carrier, I’m fully aware that as far as earnings are concerned, I am taking a risk. 🤷♂️
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Jan 24, 2021, 4:01 pm
#68
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I am troubled by those who find nothing wrong, or choose not to voice an opposition to a unilateral change to what is, essentially, a change in terms to a partially-performed contract. It isn't like the passenger can decide "That $199 ticket is now worth $175, so refund the difference" or "You broke the contract, I want a refund."
AS sold us a bill of goods on the days we respectively purchased our tickets. Just simply perform. Many of us have mapped out our travel and earnings strategies for the year. It isn't like a major storm just hit, the bridge washed out and the detour is 200 miles out of the way. The "major storm" was 2020.
AS sold us a bill of goods on the days we respectively purchased our tickets. Just simply perform. Many of us have mapped out our travel and earnings strategies for the year. It isn't like a major storm just hit, the bridge washed out and the detour is 200 miles out of the way. The "major storm" was 2020.
Do these changes suck? You bet. Are they a breach of contract? Aka illegal? Hell no.
Jan 24, 2021, 4:02 pm
#69
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is there a single airline on the planet that credits miles based on date of purchase instead of date of flight? I’ve seen many devaluations all over the world in different alliances and I have NEVER heard of miles posting based on purchase date. It doesn’t matter how much notice you’re given. And I’ve yet to see any airline give more than 6 months notice, and usually it’s even less than that.
I agree that this sucks, but I suspect the IT isn't even there to do what people want, and at the end of the day, this is how the game is played. It goes both for earning and spending btw, which is why it’s always dangerous to sit on too many miles, as award charts can change at any time.
I agree that this sucks, but I suspect the IT isn't even there to do what people want, and at the end of the day, this is how the game is played. It goes both for earning and spending btw, which is why it’s always dangerous to sit on too many miles, as award charts can change at any time.
Jan 24, 2021, 4:05 pm
#71
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Breach of contract is not "aka illegal" as it is not a criminal act. I am not confused. But thank you for your concern. Besos.
Jan 24, 2021, 4:11 pm
#72
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Setting aside that ridiculous assumption, even the more generous “against the law” isn’t the only meaning of the word illegal: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal
Jan 24, 2021, 4:12 pm
#73
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I think the problem here is that you expected MP to be something other than gravy and are now disappointed to find out that that’s not the case.
Well, better late than never I guess. Meanwhile whenever I book my tickets more than 2-3 months out on any carrier, I’m fully aware that as far as earnings are concerned, I am taking a risk. 🤷♂️
Well, better late than never I guess. Meanwhile whenever I book my tickets more than 2-3 months out on any carrier, I’m fully aware that as far as earnings are concerned, I am taking a risk. 🤷♂️
Last edited by AndyKehn; Jan 24, 2021 at 8:52 pm
Jan 24, 2021, 4:15 pm
#74
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good lord, do you actually think that anything that’s illegal is a criminal act? Like failing to stop for a stop sign?
Setting aside that ridiculous assumption, even the more generous “against the law” isn’t the only meaning of the word illegal: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal
Setting aside that ridiculous assumption, even the more generous “against the law” isn’t the only meaning of the word illegal: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal
Jan 24, 2021, 4:25 pm
#75
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I would hope AS will announce that existing tix are grandfathered. Until we've had an official announcement on the subject, it's probably premature to be getting upset about losing the extra EQM on tix that have already been purchased. There will be plenty of time for that afterwards if AS in fact confirms it will be retroactively changing the terms of purchase without exception. That would be contrary to AS's usual manner of business, and most unfortunate.