Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
Last edit by: Quail
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)
Jul 17, 2022, 1:59 pm
#631
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Am seeing JL F availability near end of schedule on BA, CX, and AA but do not see it available on AS. Talking to help desk but they were no help. Tried suggested workaround and booked an alternate date but wasn't able to switch to preferred date. Rep said to wait a few days. What are my options here? Should I just suck it up and book with CX?
Do you have a lot of miles? The 100% workaround used to be to book a reverse round trip then cancel the outbound and leave the return (which because of the reverse booking is actually your outbound). I posted the workaround in the 2019 thread. This still worked the last I checked a couple of weeks ago. Note, this can be more complicated now because of AS's new bugs/limitations on combining J with F if you are doing connections but for non-stop F it should be seamless.
Details:
Reverse booking JL end of schedule workaround
Last edited by skimthetrees; Jul 17, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Jul 18, 2022, 9:21 pm
#632
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: YYZ
Programs: AP 50k, UA Silver, MB Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 248
Any intel on the HND-GMP route? The award space is there on AS but been hearing it being a phantom space.
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
offtopic but related: is the overnight in terminal hotel in HND operational? Will have to spend overnight layover either way.
TIA
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
offtopic but related: is the overnight in terminal hotel in HND operational? Will have to spend overnight layover either way.
TIA
Last edited by mynameisdmoon; Jul 18, 2022 at 9:22 pm Reason: Additional questions
Jul 18, 2022, 11:45 pm
#633
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
Any intel on the HND-GMP route? The award space is there on AS but been hearing it being a phantom space.
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
offtopic but related: is the overnight in terminal hotel in HND operational? Will have to spend overnight layover either way.
TIA
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
offtopic but related: is the overnight in terminal hotel in HND operational? Will have to spend overnight layover either way.
TIA
Jul 19, 2022, 8:27 am
#634
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: YYZ
Programs: AP 50k, UA Silver, MB Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 248
Jul 19, 2022, 9:49 am
#635
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Any intel on the HND-GMP route? The award space is there on AS but been hearing it being a phantom space.
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
I’m trying to salvage a JFK-HND NH F I booked a year ago in case Japan doesn’t open by October (losing hope at this rate). Was hoping to route to Korea via JL as it wastes the least amount of time. I can book routing to ICN via AP just in case but would ideally like to get to GMP via JAL to save time.
I see a lot of HND-GMP flights in October available via Qantas and BA. AA does not show direct flights in October but shows a ton when using a married segments OSA-GMP.
Don't be scared by hearsay, call AS and ask to add it (even if it is only Y). Maybe it will be easy? Standard advice applies: call the partner desk line during business hours. HUCA if the agent is not able to process it.
Jul 19, 2022, 2:46 pm
#636
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
Jul 19, 2022, 2:47 pm
#637
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: YYZ
Programs: AP 50k, UA Silver, MB Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 248
Jul 19, 2022, 2:59 pm
#638
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,410
Some of these routings, I have questions about.
I tried to book BOS-TYO-KIX and it's giving me
BOS-TYO-TPE/BKK(!!!)-KIX
excuse me? TYO-KIX IS available by itself. I don't mind extra flying but that's just ridiculous
I tried to book BOS-TYO-KIX and it's giving me
BOS-TYO-TPE/BKK(!!!)-KIX
excuse me? TYO-KIX IS available by itself. I don't mind extra flying but that's just ridiculous
Jul 19, 2022, 4:31 pm
#639
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
Also I'm ashamed to say that I've been exactly where it shows the entrance sign is a few times and never noticed it :embarrassed: I have spent the night while the lounge was closed in a cold (a/c) area with a lot of empty chairs (precovid).
Good to know about the option, although I'm not sure I'd pay the price (but with the strong dollar when it does open it could be more reasonable).
Thanks for enlightening me
Last edited by estnet; Jul 19, 2022 at 5:39 pm
Jul 19, 2022, 4:54 pm
#640
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Jul 20, 2022, 11:42 am
#641
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Toronto
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Titanium Elite; Aeroplan 35K; United Premier Silver, AAdvantage Platinum Pro
Posts: 69
If I book HND-MNL (or some other intra-Asia route, e.g. SGN, HAN, KUL), can I add on ORD-HND at a later date without having to cancel and rebook?
I want to do ORD-HND-MNL in the fall in F and J. There's no F availability on ORD-HND so I'll be waiting on last minute. The problem though is that there is J availability on HND-MNL now, but nothing within the next 14 days which leads me to think that they do not release last minute availability on this route (same for SGN, HAN, KUL). So ORD-HND might become available at T-14, but HND-MNL won't be there at that stage.
I'm trying to think of someway to secure the HND-MNL seats while there are there now and I would prefer to have both flights on the same ticket.
I want to do ORD-HND-MNL in the fall in F and J. There's no F availability on ORD-HND so I'll be waiting on last minute. The problem though is that there is J availability on HND-MNL now, but nothing within the next 14 days which leads me to think that they do not release last minute availability on this route (same for SGN, HAN, KUL). So ORD-HND might become available at T-14, but HND-MNL won't be there at that stage.
I'm trying to think of someway to secure the HND-MNL seats while there are there now and I would prefer to have both flights on the same ticket.
Jul 20, 2022, 4:09 pm
#642
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
If I book HND-MNL (or some other intra-Asia route, e.g. SGN, HAN, KUL), can I add on ORD-HND at a later date without having to cancel and rebook?
I want to do ORD-HND-MNL in the fall in F and J. There's no F availability on ORD-HND so I'll be waiting on last minute. The problem though is that there is J availability on HND-MNL now, but nothing within the next 14 days which leads me to think that they do not release last minute availability on this route (same for SGN, HAN, KUL). So ORD-HND might become available at T-14, but HND-MNL won't be there at that stage.
I'm trying to think of someway to secure the HND-MNL seats while there are there now and I would prefer to have both flights on the same ticket.
I want to do ORD-HND-MNL in the fall in F and J. There's no F availability on ORD-HND so I'll be waiting on last minute. The problem though is that there is J availability on HND-MNL now, but nothing within the next 14 days which leads me to think that they do not release last minute availability on this route (same for SGN, HAN, KUL). So ORD-HND might become available at T-14, but HND-MNL won't be there at that stage.
I'm trying to think of someway to secure the HND-MNL seats while there are there now and I would prefer to have both flights on the same ticket.
Jul 21, 2022, 10:55 pm
#643
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: YVR/YYZ
Programs: AC50K, *A Gold, Marriott Titanium (LGE), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 376
Are you booking in the range of the AS calendar? You probably are if you are seeing flights on AA, but BA and CX book further out than AS. You cannot book outside the AS calendar.
Do you have a lot of miles? The 100% workaround used to be to book a reverse round trip then cancel the outbound and leave the return (which because of the reverse booking is actually your outbound). I posted the workaround in the 2019 thread. This still worked the last I checked a couple of weeks ago. Note, this can be more complicated now because of AS's new bugs/limitations on combining J with F if you are doing connections but for non-stop F it should be seamless.
Details:
Reverse booking JL end of schedule workaround
Do you have a lot of miles? The 100% workaround used to be to book a reverse round trip then cancel the outbound and leave the return (which because of the reverse booking is actually your outbound). I posted the workaround in the 2019 thread. This still worked the last I checked a couple of weeks ago. Note, this can be more complicated now because of AS's new bugs/limitations on combining J with F if you are doing connections but for non-stop F it should be seamless.
Details:
Reverse booking JL end of schedule workaround
I've set up the reverse round trip as mentioned (TYO-LAX), but am still not having the returning calendar open up for the day I want. It goes no further out than seeing the one-way.
Any insight? Thanks!
Jul 22, 2022, 12:40 am
#644
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Thanks for this. I think I'm doing something wrong - mind helping?
I've set up the reverse round trip as mentioned (TYO-LAX), but am still not having the returning calendar open up for the day I want. It goes no further out than seeing the one-way.
Any insight? Thanks!
I've set up the reverse round trip as mentioned (TYO-LAX), but am still not having the returning calendar open up for the day I want. It goes no further out than seeing the one-way.
Any insight? Thanks!
Edit: Somebody just snagged the 6/15 LAX-HND F seat, hopefully you got it.
Last edited by skimthetrees; Jul 22, 2022 at 1:06 am
Jul 22, 2022, 10:56 am
#645
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Toronto
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Titanium Elite; Aeroplan 35K; United Premier Silver, AAdvantage Platinum Pro
Posts: 69