"Somewhat scary one near Winnipeg" - The AC Master Incidents Thread
Dec 11, 2018, 4:58 pm
#3646
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As I was taxiing out of HKG on an onward flight, I could see her outside one of the doors at the HAECO facility. Ladder near the tail and a light focused on the tail undercarriage area.
i heard that it is some serious damage, it may take a week to repair and no it won’t buff out.
i heard that it is some serious damage, it may take a week to repair and no it won’t buff out.
Dec 11, 2018, 5:39 pm
#3647
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AC 7055 (77W) left YYZ just after noon today to operate the return flight - appears to be departing HKG at 10.00 Dec 13. (So as things stand, there will be two flights AC 16 in the air on Dec 13, 6 hours apart??)
Dec 11, 2018, 5:46 pm
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@24left
Glad you're okay. I had the same thought as others when I first saw the above post about AC15: "Wait, wasn't left on that flight?"
That doesn't sound fun. Count on you to express more concern for a piece of AC metal than yourself.
Glad you're okay. I had the same thought as others when I first saw the above post about AC15: "Wait, wasn't left on that flight?"
That doesn't sound fun. Count on you to express more concern for a piece of AC metal than yourself.
Dec 12, 2018, 1:32 pm
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There shouldn't be too great a ripple effect on the fleet at this time of the year. If the 77W is still out of service at the Christmas rush and there's domestic backlogs due to IROPS, it might be noticed, but now's the time of year that many planes are scheduled for heavy maintenance, repainting etc. Losing the use of a 77W in July would create a lot more headaches.
Dec 12, 2018, 3:58 pm
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Here is the HKG weather from aviationweather.gov.
They only go back 36 hours.
According to Flightradar, AC15 landed HKG 14:53 Dec. 11 or 0653Z
This is the weather 4 hours after the occurrence.
VHHH 111100Z 36015KT CAVOK 17/10 Q1021 NOSIG
Here are weather graphs from Wunderground for Dec. 11.
If the times in the graphs are local, the strongest winds of the day were about the time of touchdown. 15kts from the left.
YYZ often has 15kt crosswinds.
The HKG winds have been out of the north since the occurrence and for several hours before.
They only go back 36 hours.
According to Flightradar, AC15 landed HKG 14:53 Dec. 11 or 0653Z
This is the weather 4 hours after the occurrence.
VHHH 111100Z 36015KT CAVOK 17/10 Q1021 NOSIG
Here are weather graphs from Wunderground for Dec. 11.
If the times in the graphs are local, the strongest winds of the day were about the time of touchdown. 15kts from the left.
YYZ often has 15kt crosswinds.
The HKG winds have been out of the north since the occurrence and for several hours before.
Dec 12, 2018, 5:25 pm
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Dec 12, 2018, 5:29 pm
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Dec 12, 2018, 6:42 pm
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No I don't. But I'm not the one questioning his or her statement. There are a lot of company employees, friends and insiders on this forum; why doubt that a member may have private information on which pilot was flying your AC15 and the overall effectiveness of pilot training programs? I'm far from what could be described as an insider, but I have a lot of friends who are AC pilots. They all express varying levels of satisfaction with initial and recurrency training at their work. With the state of the industry now and looking forward, buckle up for a large influx of comparatively inexperienced pilots winging you across the globe.
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Dec 12, 2018, 7:53 pm
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There shouldn't be too great a ripple effect on the fleet at this time of the year. If the 77W is still out of service at the Christmas rush and there's domestic backlogs due to IROPS, it might be noticed, but now's the time of year that many planes are scheduled for heavy maintenance, repainting etc. Losing the use of a 77W in July would create a lot more headaches.
A serviceable aircraft could swap up or down, fly more, be a few hours late. A thousand Thesei parts are a week away from being anything.
Dec 12, 2018, 8:02 pm
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I thought that the union had pretty strict seniority rules that see pilots and first officers gradually move from smaller to larger aircraft. It seems very strange to me that a recent first officer could go from the smallest aircraft in the fleet directly to the biggest; bypassing seat time on A320 series, 7M8, 767, 333 in his meteoric rise.
Dec 12, 2018, 9:27 pm
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I thought that the union had pretty strict seniority rules that see pilots and first officers gradually move from smaller to larger aircraft. It seems very strange to me that a recent first officer could go from the smallest aircraft in the fleet directly to the biggest; bypassing seat time on A320 series, 7M8, 767, 333 in his meteoric rise.
If #1 wants right seat E190, then so be it. All be at a reduction in pay.
Many pilots will choose lifestyle over pay.
If you're senior on your type, then you pick your schedule.
Pilots will often not bid to a larger type, until they are high enough on the list for that type to get a decent schedule.
Dec 12, 2018, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by The Lev
I thought that the union had pretty strict seniority rules that see pilots and first officers gradually move from smaller to larger aircraft.
Originally Posted by tracon
Many pilots will choose lifestyle over pay.
If you're senior on your type, then you pick your schedule.
Pilots will often not bid to a larger type, until they are high enough on the list for that type to get a decent schedule.
If you're senior on your type, then you pick your schedule.
Pilots will often not bid to a larger type, until they are high enough on the list for that type to get a decent schedule.