AC 838/839 Winter Changes; Air Canada drops Ottawa-Frankfurt flight for winter
Sep 4, 2014, 12:54 pm
#61
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A simple check of the EIA website show your YEG numbers to be overstated somewhat.
Sep 4, 2014, 2:19 pm
#62
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Sep 4, 2014, 2:42 pm
#63
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Not surprising, YOW is stagnant compared to the other major Canadian airports.
YYZ: Jan-June 18,371,030 (+5.6%), rolling 12 mo: 37,088,499
YVR: Jan-July 11,151,541 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 18,808,653
YYC: Jan-July 8,765,398. (+7.5%), rolling 12 mo: 14,930,945
YUL: Jan-June 7,155,071 (+3.0%), rolling 12 mo: 14,304,334
YEG: Jan-July 4,769,759 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 8,054,263
YOW: Jan-July 2,701,958 (+0.2%), rolling 12 mo: 4,584,278
YYZ: Jan-June 18,371,030 (+5.6%), rolling 12 mo: 37,088,499
YVR: Jan-July 11,151,541 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 18,808,653
YYC: Jan-July 8,765,398. (+7.5%), rolling 12 mo: 14,930,945
YUL: Jan-June 7,155,071 (+3.0%), rolling 12 mo: 14,304,334
YEG: Jan-July 4,769,759 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 8,054,263
YOW: Jan-July 2,701,958 (+0.2%), rolling 12 mo: 4,584,278
Some of what they used to do has been pushed to private companies in Toronto and Calgary so they will do the flying instead.
Sep 4, 2014, 7:44 pm
#64
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Are FBO figures typically included in reported Annual Passenger Totals? Or just at YEG?
Sep 5, 2014, 7:51 am
#66
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Both airports include them as they have become important players with the large number of oilsands related movements with everything from B1900's upto 737's, in addition Corporate movements are not counted in these numbers.
Still looks good to me for YEG growth overall, not a stagnant market at all, crazy growth out west to say the least.
Sep 5, 2014, 9:23 am
#67
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YYC has counted FBO operations for a number of years prior to YEG who just started including them this past year.
Both airports include them as they have become important players with the large number of oilsands related movements with everything from B1900's upto 737's, in addition Corporate movements are not counted in these numbers.
Both airports include them as they have become important players with the large number of oilsands related movements with everything from B1900's upto 737's, in addition Corporate movements are not counted in these numbers.
The same EIA that issued this Press Release?? :
The sky was the limit for EIA in 2013: Record passenger numbers
Tuesday, January 14, 2014
January 14, 2014 (Edmonton, AB) – Air service and aviation business in the Edmonton Region grew rapidly in 2013 to meet community demand.
“These record-breaking numbers show that Edmonton International Airport completed its expansion just in time.
Highlights of 2013 at EIA
Record Passenger Numbers: 2013 was the busiest year in EIA history with 6,983,000 passengers served; 306,000 more than in 2012.
Numbers of Passengers Served at EIA from January 1 to December 31, 2013
Domestic 5,312,226 = 4% growth
US Transborder 1,264,796 = 7.7% growth
International 406,207 = 3.4% growth
Overall 6,983,229 = 4.6% growth – all time record!
Business Aviation: In addition to regularly scheduled airline passenger service, corporate charter flights from the private terminals at EIA had increased by 30% in 2013, to nearly 26,000 landings.
http://corporate.flyeia.com/news/sky...senger-numbers
No one debating YEG is growing.
Including FBO in comparative passenger stats when the norm does not is comparing apples to oranges.
Sep 5, 2014, 3:44 pm
#69
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Because of this change I will have to rebook my routing. I was really trying to avoid YYZ in November as it seems the slightest thing can cause chaos with huge delays thus the initial YOW booking. Frankfurt is just a transition point so it isn't absolutely necessary I go through FRA. I know I can go YYC - FRA and on but that got me thinking. If I use YYC, I could take BA to LHR which has a 787 listed for that day and then QATAR on the new 380 to DOH... awfully tempting. Thoughts?
Sep 5, 2014, 4:44 pm
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Because of this change I will have to rebook my routing. I was really trying to avoid YYZ in November as it seems the slightest thing can cause chaos with huge delays thus the initial YOW booking. Frankfurt is just a transition point so it isn't absolutely necessary I go through FRA. I know I can go YYC - FRA and on but that got me thinking. If I use YYC, I could take BA to LHR which has a 787 listed for that day and then QATAR on the new 380 to DOH... awfully tempting. Thoughts?
Sep 5, 2014, 6:43 pm
#71
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Because of this change I will have to rebook my routing. I was really trying to avoid YYZ in November as it seems the slightest thing can cause chaos with huge delays thus the initial YOW booking. Frankfurt is just a transition point so it isn't absolutely necessary I go through FRA. I know I can go YYC - FRA and on but that got me thinking. If I use YYC, I could take BA to LHR which has a 787 listed for that day and then QATAR on the new 380 to DOH... awfully tempting. Thoughts?
Sep 5, 2014, 6:59 pm
#72
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LHR is my second least favourite airport behind YYZ but for a chance to fly on a BA 787 and the Qatar 380 I think I might be willing to do it.
An alternative might be going through the US... I will have to look and see what flights are available and how the connections line up.
Sep 5, 2014, 8:03 pm
#73
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Sep 5, 2014, 8:18 pm
#74
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You have been very lucky then. LHR is an absolute meltdown waiting to happen and it melts down quite frequently. OP could connect at YUL for a QR flight to Doha.Avoids both YYZ and LHR.
Sep 5, 2014, 9:31 pm
#75
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Meltdowns in YYZ on the other hand...