Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Sep 10, 2019, 8:29 am
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Why would you not assume that Boeing, the FAA, EASA, TC, etc, all were in a room, various parties listed off desires; the FAA listed off one list of requireements , EASA (and perhaps others) agreed to different lists, and, unable to reconcile those, respectfully went off in different directions?
Sep 11, 2019, 1:55 pm
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Air Canada send its MAX in Arizona
Will we see them ever again? 25% of Airlines apparently have an option to cancel all future orders .. starting next month ...
https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8903
Air Canada has confirmed to us that they have begun transferring process of some of their MAX to Arizona. Here is the translation if the official response from Air Canada media relations that we received in French:
“Due to uncertainty about the timing of regulatory approval to return the Boeing 737 MAX to service, we have begun moving some Boeing 737s to Arizona like other airlines. The reason is that the hot and dry climate found in the desert allows optimal conditions for aircraft storage. We have the necessary permissions from the regulatory agencies to operate these fery flights even if the prohibition of take-off, landing or overflight of Canadian airspace by any commercial passenger flights operated by Boeing 737 MAX aircraft is still in effect. The schedule of movements of the aifrafts is still not finalized. “
This is probably the best decision that Air Canada could make in the current circumstances.
https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8903
Air Canada has confirmed to us that they have begun transferring process of some of their MAX to Arizona. Here is the translation if the official response from Air Canada media relations that we received in French:
“Due to uncertainty about the timing of regulatory approval to return the Boeing 737 MAX to service, we have begun moving some Boeing 737s to Arizona like other airlines. The reason is that the hot and dry climate found in the desert allows optimal conditions for aircraft storage. We have the necessary permissions from the regulatory agencies to operate these fery flights even if the prohibition of take-off, landing or overflight of Canadian airspace by any commercial passenger flights operated by Boeing 737 MAX aircraft is still in effect. The schedule of movements of the aifrafts is still not finalized. “
This is probably the best decision that Air Canada could make in the current circumstances.
Sep 11, 2019, 1:59 pm
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I think this makes the most sense!
Even Sunwing has the MAX out of service until next Spring at the earliest. It would be very bad for the planes to be parked for the entirety of a cold Canadian winter!
So is the desert becoming a MAX storage area, or MAX boneyard? Hard to tell...Lol
Even Sunwing has the MAX out of service until next Spring at the earliest. It would be very bad for the planes to be parked for the entirety of a cold Canadian winter!
So is the desert becoming a MAX storage area, or MAX boneyard? Hard to tell...Lol
Sep 11, 2019, 3:15 pm
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I think this makes the most sense!
Even Sunwing has the MAX out of service until next Spring at the earliest. It would be very bad for the planes to be parked for the entirety of a cold Canadian winter!
So is the desert becoming a MAX storage area, or MAX boneyard? Hard to tell...Lol
Even Sunwing has the MAX out of service until next Spring at the earliest. It would be very bad for the planes to be parked for the entirety of a cold Canadian winter!
So is the desert becoming a MAX storage area, or MAX boneyard? Hard to tell...Lol
If only aircraft storage was that simple.
Sep 11, 2019, 3:39 pm
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The normal process with storage lockers is you take stuff that you don't want to toss out, you put in a locker eventually forget about, stop paying the rent and then a reality TV show comes along where people bid on your long forgotten treasures.
If only aircraft storage was that simple.
If only aircraft storage was that simple.
This can happen when the airlines goes bankrupt, and the creditors are also bankrupt or can not be found. If the MAX issue lasts long enough, I can see some airlines may end up in this kind of situation.
Sep 11, 2019, 8:31 pm
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Maybe Evraz Metals can set up a shredder to push the planes through. Works well for automobiles, the crushed car goes in one and, and the various streams of metal pieces no bigger than 2" come out the other end.
Sep 12, 2019, 1:12 am
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Meanwhile "regulatory scrutiny" delays Boeing's schedule. Translating spin doctor's talk: Boeing has to delay to satisfy regulatory requirements...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...max-ti-460806/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...max-ti-460806/
Sep 12, 2019, 10:10 am
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Meanwhile "regulatory scrutiny" delays Boeing's schedule. Translating spin doctor's talk: Boeing has to delay to satisfy regulatory requirements...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...max-ti-460806/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...max-ti-460806/
Sounds like a dodgy electrician's strategy to me.
Sep 12, 2019, 4:13 pm
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Just a reminder that this isn't the Airbus issues thread so let's refrain from wandering into real or perceived issues with other manufacturers aircraft.
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Sep 14, 2019, 6:57 am
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Interesting article from Reuters UK Sept 13 2019
Crisis-hit Boeing readies huge effort to return 737 MAX to the skies
QUOTES:
"Boeing will have to juggle the delivery of two different MAX categories: some 250 produced since the ban, parked at various facilities in tail-to-nose configurations that conjure the puzzle game Tetris; and those that will roll off the production line post-approval.
Airlines will mostly handle a third category involving the return to service of 387 aircraft flown before the grounding, though Boeing has already deployed teams around the world to help companies get ready for that process."
Full article:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-et...-idUKKCN1VY1OC
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Crisis-hit Boeing readies huge effort to return 737 MAX to the skies
QUOTES:
"Boeing will have to juggle the delivery of two different MAX categories: some 250 produced since the ban, parked at various facilities in tail-to-nose configurations that conjure the puzzle game Tetris; and those that will roll off the production line post-approval.
Airlines will mostly handle a third category involving the return to service of 387 aircraft flown before the grounding, though Boeing has already deployed teams around the world to help companies get ready for that process."
Full article:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-et...-idUKKCN1VY1OC
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Sep 14, 2019, 11:20 am
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I was going to post this link. The "huge effort" on the part of Boeing (and its airline customers) would not be happening if there was not a clear pathway to the MAXes being cleared to fly. Anyone thinking the MAXes will be scrapped should think again.
Sep 14, 2019, 11:36 am
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Sep 14, 2019, 11:41 am
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"Unilaterally" is a big word that implies that EASA isn't talking to the FAA anymore.
Why would you not assume that Boeing, the FAA, EASA, TC, etc, all were in a room, various parties listed off desires; the FAA listed off one list of requireements , EASA (and perhaps others) agreed to different lists, and, unable to reconcile those, respectfully went off in different directions?
Why would you not assume that Boeing, the FAA, EASA, TC, etc, all were in a room, various parties listed off desires; the FAA listed off one list of requireements , EASA (and perhaps others) agreed to different lists, and, unable to reconcile those, respectfully went off in different directions?
Unilateral:
(of an action or decision) performed by or affecting only one person, group, or country involved in a particular situation, without the agreement of another or the others.
First, because Ky gave no indication that EASA had discussed its conditions with FAA and FAA was in agreement. Surely, if FAA was in agreement with EASA's conditions, he would have said so.
Second, there has been no comment from FAA or Boeing expressing agreement with the demands of EASA.
Third, because had Boeing been aware of EASA's demands and accepted them, there would not have been a statement from Ky that EASA was making demands that are over and above what Boeing is already working on in cooperation with FAA, because Boeing would already be working on them.
EASA must be aware of what Boeing has been working on under the oversight of the FAA for the past several months. If EASA was in agreement with it they would not be making demands over and above what Boeing is doing under the oversight of the FAA.
Sep 14, 2019, 8:13 pm
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Leeham News - Sept 13 2019
Look to 2013 787 grounding to see how Boeing will return MAX to service
QUOTES:
"These technical people will be tasked with “un-pickling” the airplanes: opening up seals on pitot tubes, air ducts, engines, etc. Making sure fluids are pure and all control surfaces work. Powering up the engines, APU. Making sure the airplanes are free of insects, rodents and birds. The list goes on."
...... "Boeing doesn’t have the parts and tooling logistics for the MAX that was required for the 787. But the sheer number of airplanes creates a different set of logistics challenges.
The first MAXes returned to service will be newly produced ones from the Renton (WA) factory.
These won’t have been “pickled,” and the software upgrades should be installed during final assembly.
This is probably what Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg in thinking when he says the MAX could return to service in the early fourth quarter. Preparing the produced-but-undelivered airplanes for RTS and bringing back to life the grounded airplanes will take longer.
The level of pilot training required remains unclear and could affect the RTS."
Full article
https://leehamnews.com/2019/09/13/lo...ce/#more-31161
Look to 2013 787 grounding to see how Boeing will return MAX to service
QUOTES:
"These technical people will be tasked with “un-pickling” the airplanes: opening up seals on pitot tubes, air ducts, engines, etc. Making sure fluids are pure and all control surfaces work. Powering up the engines, APU. Making sure the airplanes are free of insects, rodents and birds. The list goes on."
...... "Boeing doesn’t have the parts and tooling logistics for the MAX that was required for the 787. But the sheer number of airplanes creates a different set of logistics challenges.
The first MAXes returned to service will be newly produced ones from the Renton (WA) factory.
These won’t have been “pickled,” and the software upgrades should be installed during final assembly.
This is probably what Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg in thinking when he says the MAX could return to service in the early fourth quarter. Preparing the produced-but-undelivered airplanes for RTS and bringing back to life the grounded airplanes will take longer.
The level of pilot training required remains unclear and could affect the RTS."
Full article
https://leehamnews.com/2019/09/13/lo...ce/#more-31161
Sep 18, 2019, 10:40 am
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G&M article about one of AC 7M8s being used for senior training pilots for maintaining their license:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...checks-during/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...checks-during/