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Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
#4711
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E50K (*G) WS Gold | SPG/Fairmont Plat Hilton/Hyatt Diamond Marriott Silver | National Exec Elite
Posts: 19,284
Yes--well that is becoming more of a problem for sure. Thankfully, flights yesterday seemed to have restored foam and great comfort. Hammocking seats AND collapsed foam are not acceptable. I actually prefer DASH 8 seats to Rouge hammocks but none of them (rouge, collapsed or Dash) would be good for flights more than 1.5 hours!
#4712
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 252
I see Transat announced today it will convert its remaining A333s to 9 abreast seating - but will keep a 32" pitch. I'm not a Transat flyer but not sure if this is better or worse than Rouge!
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
#4713
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YXU
Programs: AC SE100K, National E/E, HH Diamond, IHG Diamond, MB, Avis PC
Posts: 995
I see Transat announced today it will convert its remaining A333s to 9 abreast seating - but will keep a 32" pitch. I'm not a Transat flyer but not sure if this is better or worse than Rouge!
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
#4714
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 1,748
I just flew PE on the 77HD. Collapsed foam will never be a problem. Those cushions are rock hard - as in cedar plank hard. They managed to actually put in seats with some decent space, recline, and leg support, and ruin the whole thing using a foam with the density of concrete.
#4715
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Transat is getting crushed by Rouge.
Funny .... Somewhere on this thread I remember a claim Transat was going to eat Rouge's lunch .... Borderline impossible to have a prediction further from reality than that one was.
#4716
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,609
I see Transat announced today it will convert its remaining A333s to 9 abreast seating - but will keep a 32" pitch. I'm not a Transat flyer but not sure if this is better or worse than Rouge!
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
Probably both are better than AC's narrow 789 seats with 30" pitch - if indeed this does occur for the select rows as originally shown.
#4717
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: YQB
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, Bonvoy Gold, HHonors Diamond, VIA Premier, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 817
I just flew PE on the 77HD. Collapsed foam will never be a problem. Those cushions are rock hard - as in cedar plank hard. They managed to actually put in seats with some decent space, recline, and leg support, and ruin the whole thing using a foam with the density of concrete.
#4718
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: YOW, previously YYT
Programs: AC E50K, Fairmont Plat, NEXUS
Posts: 390
Should I be concerned having to fly PY on AC7 for the 14 hours duration? Should I bring some sort of cushioning?
#4719
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 1,748
Most definitely. Today, after 4 hours, it was hard to find a comfortable position. Some of those gel/memory foam cushions might be useful. The seat is plenty wide and long to support your legs, but the foam has virtually no give.
#4720
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E50K (*G) WS Gold | SPG/Fairmont Plat Hilton/Hyatt Diamond Marriott Silver | National Exec Elite
Posts: 19,284
You can get one of the gel seat cushions from Canadian Tire for about $20...then again you'd look like a noob though, but it has served me well on longer flights. amongst other things.
#4721
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 252
30" by 17.3" or 32" by 16.7" Both seem very nasty to me and should be avoided where possible.
Sad that the 789 situation is for mainline AC (not Rouge) and will be used presumably for flights of 12 hours and more. Perhaps even more sad that we are comparing AC's new ULH flagship aircraft with the aircraft of a low-end leisure operator.
#4722
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YXU
Programs: AC SE100K, National E/E, HH Diamond, IHG Diamond, MB, Avis PC
Posts: 995
IMO this is a case of Desperate times calling for desperate measures at TS.
Transat is getting crushed by Rouge.
Funny .... Somewhere on this thread I remember a claim Transat was going to eat Rouge's lunch .... Borderline impossible to have a prediction further from reality than that one was.
Transat is getting crushed by Rouge.
Funny .... Somewhere on this thread I remember a claim Transat was going to eat Rouge's lunch .... Borderline impossible to have a prediction further from reality than that one was.
This article
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-...oney-1.2991951
says that Transat is adding 30 seats. There are 37 full rows in Y. Are they creating a new class?
#4723
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Well, that can help them only if they can sell these extra seats. Otherwise they'll just carry around more weight.
This article
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-...oney-1.2991951
says that Transat is adding 30 seats. There are 37 full rows in Y. Are they creating a new class?
This article
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-...oney-1.2991951
says that Transat is adding 30 seats. There are 37 full rows in Y. Are they creating a new class?
Lots of persistent talk (rumour) AC mainline are nearing deal for additional A330s. Growth is out of control. Are AC (possibly) doing this for more mainline lift? OR to expedite the final 767 transfers to Rouge to drive the nail deeper into TS?
Transat is in deep trouble and likely to shrink further rather than expand. In my opinion.
#4724
Join Date: May 2014
Programs: AC Elite 50K
Posts: 367
TS is filling jets at junk yields and are getting lapped by Rouge. TS can't dare increase the price a penny, so they cram more seats in. Dilute yields a little further but less than incremental seats/anciliary rev from same.
Lots of persistent talk (rumour) AC mainline are nearing deal for additional A330s. Growth is out of control. Are AC (possibly) doing this for more mainline lift? OR to expedite the final 767 transfers to Rouge to drive the nail deeper into TS?
Transat is in deep trouble and likely to shrink further rather than expand. In my opinion.
Lots of persistent talk (rumour) AC mainline are nearing deal for additional A330s. Growth is out of control. Are AC (possibly) doing this for more mainline lift? OR to expedite the final 767 transfers to Rouge to drive the nail deeper into TS?
Transat is in deep trouble and likely to shrink further rather than expand. In my opinion.
3 things happening here:
1.) they want to put transat to bed. 767s even at rouge are like 18 inch seats, so they're a much nicer ride than 9X333s.
2.) Canada has a lot of demand to a lot of these places, its mostly economy traffic. Rouge allows AC to operate it profitably + AC can do something Transat can't it can steal junk business traffic from the US and put it in Premium rouge. The whole thing works well. At the end of the day people do prefer nonstop flights if available, with the lower costs many of these cities are profitable to return to or start(Lisbon, Manchester, Nice, Venice, Athens, Montreal-Rome, Barcelona, montreal Barcelona, Dublin) And all are being hugely boosted this year. (Tangential: But the core infrastructure doesn't change in size no matter how much AC flies, so these fixed costs are spread over more flights, more rouge even makes ML more cost competitive.)
3.) AC costs compared to US carries is dropping because it pays its staff in Canadian Dollars. Staff is the biggest Airline cost. Meaning they can sell their tickets in US dollars for less, buy most of their fuel with the fares from these passengers and pay the staff with the fares from the Canadians... But the CAD is also down against the RMB and many others. Quite significantly. Like we're talking 8-10%. That plus AC's cost cutting... Think of the demand they can stimulate/traffic they can steal.
Additionally they'll pay 62 CAD cents for fuel this year. Vs 90 in the 4th quarter. They have a perfect storm, and a once in a decade opportunity to grab a huge share of the trans atlantic and transpacific market from US and European Carriers.
And the strategy behind all of this is working. They want to have 50%+ marketshare on all major routes they're running. Just look how fast they took control of the YVR->LAX market. AS (market leader) and WS couldn't cut capacity fast enough.YVR->HKG they're back to 50% too. (CATH has a lot of transit traffic) And YUL->CDG is another target that Means taking on Weak Air France (And they are weak), and Transat. The HD put the pressure on, so they're ratcheting it up by adding an 767 extra for high season to Montreal and Toronto + Nice last year. It'll be interesting to see the Canada Vegas passenger numbers too for this season - as they're going after WS with a rather large capacity bump...
Also they'll have 8 7879s by next March. So all of that capacity is coming to a theatre near you summer 2016 + the 777W refit.
I for one hope it works. Do you know how many people they'll have to hire to work all of those flights? 000's