Mini RTW Questions
#1456
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,147
I should probably know this, but wouldn't YYZ - TPE - DPS (dest.) - TPE - YYZ (stop) - FLL be allowed? It is with like UA MP but online Aeroplan says no. Wanted to get like a 'free' FL flight in there.
PS No one take my seats to DPS. I already promised my parents the seats.
PS No one take my seats to DPS. I already promised my parents the seats.
#1457
I should probably know this, but wouldn't YYZ - TPE - DPS (dest.) - TPE - YYZ (stop) - FLL be allowed? It is with like UA MP but online Aeroplan says no. Wanted to get like a 'free' FL flight in there.
PS No one take my seats to DPS. I already promised my parents the seats.
PS No one take my seats to DPS. I already promised my parents the seats.
#1458
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
Tough decision to make:
For my YYZ-SYD mini RTW in April I´ve been debating whether to change my J award to an F award.
What would happen is I lose the connections in VIE/IST/SIN and no longer get to fly SQ long-haul, and route through FRA/BKK with TG F (A380 to FRA, 747 to SYD). I would then upgrade my NH segment from NRT-ORD in F.
Then, I would gamble on getting LH F to MUC through one of the US hubs where new F is available. It would also seem easy to switch FRA-BKK from TG F to LH F looking at the availability 2 weeks in advance (would get FCT usage!).
So the question is: is it going to be worth many hundreds more in scamcharges plus 50K points to move from SQ J (both flights with the new lie flats) to TG F for 1/2 flights, NH F for 1 flight (and possibly LH F 1/2 times). Plus it would cost me 2/3 change fees to move the flights around (once to the current itin, once for YYZ-FRA, once for FRA-BKK)
For my YYZ-SYD mini RTW in April I´ve been debating whether to change my J award to an F award.
What would happen is I lose the connections in VIE/IST/SIN and no longer get to fly SQ long-haul, and route through FRA/BKK with TG F (A380 to FRA, 747 to SYD). I would then upgrade my NH segment from NRT-ORD in F.
Then, I would gamble on getting LH F to MUC through one of the US hubs where new F is available. It would also seem easy to switch FRA-BKK from TG F to LH F looking at the availability 2 weeks in advance (would get FCT usage!).
So the question is: is it going to be worth many hundreds more in scamcharges plus 50K points to move from SQ J (both flights with the new lie flats) to TG F for 1/2 flights, NH F for 1 flight (and possibly LH F 1/2 times). Plus it would cost me 2/3 change fees to move the flights around (once to the current itin, once for YYZ-FRA, once for FRA-BKK)
#1459
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
Programs: All Accor Plat, 1865 Voyager, AE E35K, HH Gold,Hyatt, Hrtz Gold, Marriott Gold, NEXUS
Posts: 1,670
Tough decision to make:
For my YYZ-SYD mini RTW in April I´ve been debating whether to change my J award to an F award.
What would happen is I lose the connections in VIE/IST/SIN and no longer get to fly SQ long-haul, and route through FRA/BKK with TG F (A380 to FRA, 747 to SYD). I would then upgrade my NH segment from NRT-ORD in F.
Then, I would gamble on getting LH F to MUC through one of the US hubs where new F is available. It would also seem easy to switch FRA-BKK from TG F to LH F looking at the availability 2 weeks in advance (would get FCT usage!).
So the question is: is it going to be worth many hundreds more in scamcharges plus 50K points to move from SQ J (both flights with the new lie flats) to TG F for 1/2 flights, NH F for 1 flight (and possibly LH F 1/2 times). Plus it would cost me 2/3 change fees to move the flights around (once to the current itin, once for YYZ-FRA, once for FRA-BKK)
For my YYZ-SYD mini RTW in April I´ve been debating whether to change my J award to an F award.
What would happen is I lose the connections in VIE/IST/SIN and no longer get to fly SQ long-haul, and route through FRA/BKK with TG F (A380 to FRA, 747 to SYD). I would then upgrade my NH segment from NRT-ORD in F.
Then, I would gamble on getting LH F to MUC through one of the US hubs where new F is available. It would also seem easy to switch FRA-BKK from TG F to LH F looking at the availability 2 weeks in advance (would get FCT usage!).
So the question is: is it going to be worth many hundreds more in scamcharges plus 50K points to move from SQ J (both flights with the new lie flats) to TG F for 1/2 flights, NH F for 1 flight (and possibly LH F 1/2 times). Plus it would cost me 2/3 change fees to move the flights around (once to the current itin, once for YYZ-FRA, once for FRA-BKK)
Check in advance when they add F availability to the flights you want. It seems to vary a little bit from route to route, and make sure you can check when it opens up.The NRT - FRA came open much before the FRA - YYZ I was looking for, but I held on to it so I only had to make one change. Fingers crossed it didn't disappear in the interim, which I think was about a week. Also, since I had already started travelling, there was no increase in scamcharges, but I got a tax refund when I changed BRU - ORD - YYZ to BRU - FRA - YYZ.
Last edited by allbrosca; Aug 15, 2013 at 9:48 pm Reason: Must have accidentally deleted a big chunk before posting. Read it and it didn't make sense!
#1460
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Quebec and Ontario, Canada
Programs: AC*E50, SPG/Marriott Plat
Posts: 1,917
So the question is: is it going to be worth many hundreds more in scamcharges plus 50K points to move from SQ J (both flights with the new lie flats) to TG F for 1/2 flights, NH F for 1 flight (and possibly LH F 1/2 times). Plus it would cost me 2/3 change fees to move the flights around (once to the current itin, once for YYZ-FRA, once for FRA-BKK)
#1462
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
YUL-MUC seems to work for my schedule, and F availability 2 weeks out looks good. I hedge my bets and get LH J at worse.
I can change my itinerary to:
YTZ-YUL AC Y
YUL-MUC LH J (decent chance of finding LH F)
MUC-DME LH J
DME-FRA LH J
FRA-BKK TG F (looks like an very high chance of changing over to LH F)
BKK-SYD TG F
PER-SIN SQ J
SIN-NRT NH J
NRT-ORD NH F
ORD-YYZ AC J
Gaining the 3 long haul F segments at minimum is super-tempting... Considering I'm one of those peasant types that would never pay for J or F out of pocket.
Anyone wants to estimate what scamcharges will be? (I'm prepared for $1000+)
I can change my itinerary to:
YTZ-YUL AC Y
YUL-MUC LH J (decent chance of finding LH F)
MUC-DME LH J
DME-FRA LH J
FRA-BKK TG F (looks like an very high chance of changing over to LH F)
BKK-SYD TG F
PER-SIN SQ J
SIN-NRT NH J
NRT-ORD NH F
ORD-YYZ AC J
Gaining the 3 long haul F segments at minimum is super-tempting... Considering I'm one of those peasant types that would never pay for J or F out of pocket.
Anyone wants to estimate what scamcharges will be? (I'm prepared for $1000+)
Last edited by tng11; Aug 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm
#1463
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC: E50K, AP: dDiamond
Posts: 963
If it were available, I'd personally rather fly YUL-ZRH (Swiss J, possibility of F), then ZRH-BKK (Swiss or Thai). Less stopovers, Swiss is a good product and scamcharge free, and there is occasionally last minute F availability. Both Thai and Swiss fly ZRH-BKK so good options there...
Mark
Mark
#1464
YUL-MUC seems to work for my schedule, and F availability 2 weeks out looks good. I hedge my bets and get LH J at worse.
I can change my itinerary to:
YTZ-YUL AC Y
YUL-MUC LH J (decent chance of finding LH F)
MUC-DME LH J
DME-FRA LH J
FRA-BKK TG F (looks like an very high chance of changing over to LH F)
BKK-SYD TG F
PER-SIN SQ J
SIN-NRT NH J
NRT-ORD NH F
ORD-YYZ AC J
Gaining the 3 long haul F segments at minimum is super-tempting... Considering I'm one of those peasant types that would never pay for J or F out of pocket.
Anyone wants to estimate what scamcharges will be? (I'm prepared for $1000+)
I can change my itinerary to:
YTZ-YUL AC Y
YUL-MUC LH J (decent chance of finding LH F)
MUC-DME LH J
DME-FRA LH J
FRA-BKK TG F (looks like an very high chance of changing over to LH F)
BKK-SYD TG F
PER-SIN SQ J
SIN-NRT NH J
NRT-ORD NH F
ORD-YYZ AC J
Gaining the 3 long haul F segments at minimum is super-tempting... Considering I'm one of those peasant types that would never pay for J or F out of pocket.
Anyone wants to estimate what scamcharges will be? (I'm prepared for $1000+)
If it were available, I'd personally rather fly YUL-ZRH (Swiss J, possibility of F), then ZRH-BKK (Swiss or Thai). Less stopovers, Swiss is a good product and scamcharge free, and there is occasionally last minute F availability. Both Thai and Swiss fly ZRH-BKK so good options there...
Mark
Mark
Also: I hate YUL-ZRH because it departs at 5pm and essentially lands at midnight. You have very little time to sleep and it messes with your following day a LOT. Better take YUL-MUC because it's a true overnight - and you're likely to get the excellent new J product these days.
#1465
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
I'm already flying LX J from PEK-ZRH in January, so wouldn't mind giving LH J a spin (only the new one of course) if I have bad luck nabbing an F seat.
I have the MRs to splurge (hurrah Gold referrals), so F it is! ^
EDIT: I can't seem to find YUL-MUC on the AP website, but it shows up when I type in YTZ-MUC. It shows up on the ANA tool, so it's not phantom?
I have the MRs to splurge (hurrah Gold referrals), so F it is! ^
EDIT: I can't seem to find YUL-MUC on the AP website, but it shows up when I type in YTZ-MUC. It shows up on the ANA tool, so it's not phantom?
Last edited by tng11; Aug 16, 2013 at 9:21 am
#1466
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: AC SE
Posts: 98
Question about South Africa routing options
My wife and I have already flown YYZ-EWR-EZE-JNB.
We're trying to change our return flight back home to YYZ but are having issues due to lack of available flights to YYZ via Europe.
I thought flying through Asia was allowed but maybe having gone down to EZE limits our options for the return.
We tried JNB-PEK-TPE-YYZ but was told that in combination with our outbound was over the MPM.
Can anyone suggest a valid routing? There seems to be zero availability from JNB to IST/FRA/MUC/LHR/ZRH and almost nothing for EZE and GRU. We also tried ADD but can't find many days that have 2 J seats.
We are looking for June 2014.
Thanks....
We're trying to change our return flight back home to YYZ but are having issues due to lack of available flights to YYZ via Europe.
I thought flying through Asia was allowed but maybe having gone down to EZE limits our options for the return.
We tried JNB-PEK-TPE-YYZ but was told that in combination with our outbound was over the MPM.
Can anyone suggest a valid routing? There seems to be zero availability from JNB to IST/FRA/MUC/LHR/ZRH and almost nothing for EZE and GRU. We also tried ADD but can't find many days that have 2 J seats.
We are looking for June 2014.
Thanks....
#1467
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: YVR - Vancouver, with most winter weekends in Whistler.
Programs: Aeroplan 35K, Alaska MVP, Marriott Titanium / Lifetime Platinum, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 4,609
If you have the time, I would check Aeroplan for routings JNB-PEK-YYZ (SAA/AC). As a reminder, the Aeroplan search engine is geared for the 5% rule so if you find valid economy class space across the Pacific, then it simply becomes a matter of identifying the valid route and then finding J space on the date that you need it.
The amount of miles that you travel on the way down has no bearing on your return trip (unless you open jaw, which would mean a different MPM value).
It seems that Egypt Air offers a lot of space JNB-CAI-YYZ but no one wants to fly them as they are dry and there are perceptions of it not being as safe a carrier as others.
The amount of miles that you travel on the way down has no bearing on your return trip (unless you open jaw, which would mean a different MPM value).
It seems that Egypt Air offers a lot of space JNB-CAI-YYZ but no one wants to fly them as they are dry and there are perceptions of it not being as safe a carrier as others.
#1468
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
Posts: 369
YYZ to CEB -- help
Does anyone see any possible issues with the following award routing from YYZ to CEB
YYZ-TPE-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
CEB –ICN-BKK
BKK (STOP)
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the route is 24,139miles
In April 2014 I flew the following reward route
YYZ-ORD-IST-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
NON REWARD TICKET TO SIN
SIN-HKG
HKG (STOP)
HKG-BKK-IST-JFK-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the award route was 25,434miles. (this does not include the miles between CEB-SIN – 1,505miles)
The issues is that OZ is the only star alliance carrier that flies to CEB.
The planned route uses BR and LX for the long haul flights and OZ/TG with Asia.
YYZ-TPE-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
CEB –ICN-BKK
BKK (STOP)
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the route is 24,139miles
In April 2014 I flew the following reward route
YYZ-ORD-IST-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
NON REWARD TICKET TO SIN
SIN-HKG
HKG (STOP)
HKG-BKK-IST-JFK-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the award route was 25,434miles. (this does not include the miles between CEB-SIN – 1,505miles)
The issues is that OZ is the only star alliance carrier that flies to CEB.
The planned route uses BR and LX for the long haul flights and OZ/TG with Asia.
#1469
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
YYZ-TPE-MNL
stop
MNL-BKK
stop
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
#1470
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
Posts: 369
Does anyone see any possible issues with the following award routing from YYZ to CEB
YYZ-TPE-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
CEB –ICN-BKK
BKK (STOP)
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the route is 24,139miles
In April 2014 I flew the following reward route
YYZ-ORD-IST-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
NON REWARD TICKET TO SIN
SIN-HKG
HKG (STOP)
HKG-BKK-IST-JFK-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the award route was 25,434miles. (this does not include the miles between CEB-SIN – 1,505miles)
The issues is that OZ is the only star alliance carrier that flies to CEB.
The planned route uses BR and LX for the long haul flights and OZ/TG with Asia.
YYZ-TPE-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
CEB –ICN-BKK
BKK (STOP)
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the route is 24,139miles
In April 2014 I flew the following reward route
YYZ-ORD-IST-ICN-CEB
CEB (STOP)
NON REWARD TICKET TO SIN
SIN-HKG
HKG (STOP)
HKG-BKK-IST-JFK-YYZ
According to great circle mapper the award route was 25,434miles. (this does not include the miles between CEB-SIN – 1,505miles)
The issues is that OZ is the only star alliance carrier that flies to CEB.
The planned route uses BR and LX for the long haul flights and OZ/TG with Asia.
Your destination is BKK, and your outbound routing is certainly a lot over MPM. Return BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ is fine. You may have to do an open jaw between CEB and BKK and buy a revenue ticket. Alternatively, fly via MNL and buy a separate MNL-CEB-MNL ticket, like this:
YYZ-TPE-MNL
stop
MNL-BKK
stop
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
YYZ-TPE-MNL
stop
MNL-BKK
stop
BKK-ZRH-YUL-YYZ
As mentioned in April 2014 I flew YYZ-ORD-IST-ICN-CEB that is 12,746 miles VS my plan of flying YYZ-TPE-ICN-CEB which is 10,302.
Does the fact that I am stopping in BKK now make my destination BKK?