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No YQ airlines/routes/countries

NZ, CM, AV, O6, NH, SQ, ET

UA:

All flights except from U.S to: ICN

AC:

Within North America

TPAC flights originated from Canada to:
Japan(NRT,HND,KIX), Australia(SYD,BNE)

For TPAC arriving to Canada:
YQ-free countries/cities (see below)
ex-Australia flights (SYD, BNE)

All TATL flights

List of YQ-free cities/countries:

Hong Kong (depart only)
Brazil (depart only)
Philippines (depart only)
Thailand (depart only)
South Korea (depart only)

For Japan:
Departing flights base on J class direct fights from NRT
Example: NRT-ZRH on LX, NRT-FRA on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, AI, NZ, ET, LO, ZH

Less then 20 Euros YQ: LH, SK, CA, OZ, BR, SQ, LX, TK

Greater than 20 Euros YQ: TG (94 Euros)

NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for most of it's destination

Arriving flights base on J class direct fights to NRT
Example: ZRH- NRT on LX, FRA-NRT on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, TG, NZ, OZ

Less than 20 Euros YQ: BR (14 Euros)

20 - 100 Euros YQ: SQ (20 Euros SIN-NRT, 26 Euros LAX-NRT), ET(95 Euros), CA (41 Euros), ZH (40 Euros)

Greater than 100 Euros: LH (246 Euros), AI (185 Euros), LO (177 Euros), SK (135 Euros), LX(262 Euros), TK (130 Euros)

Again, NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for flights arriving to NRT.


YQ + Fee for award flights, feel free to add more on the list (at the end of it) if you have made a recent redemption.

TK SFO-IST-TLV 237,90 Euro
LH SFO-FRA-TLV 376,76 Euro
UA&LH SFO-FRA(UA)-TLV(LH) 104,77 Euro
SIN-FRA (SQ) Y - 181,75 Euro
SIN-DEL(AI)-FRA(LH) J - 257,15 Euro
HKG-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,72 Euro
TPE-IST-FRA (TK) Y - 149,75 Euro
TPE-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,43 Euro
YYZ-SFO(AC)-TPE (UA) Y - 159,28 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) Y - 191,24 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) J - 227,41 Euro
FRA-YUL (AC) Y - 104,00 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL (AC) Y - 182,00 Euro
FRA-YYZ-YUL (AC) Y - 142,99 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 187,00 Euro
BKK-HND (TG) Y - 111 Euros
CDG-PEK (CA) Y- 207,88 EUROS
CDG-PEK (CA) J - 298,44 EUROS
CDG-FRA-PEK (LH) Y - 209,13 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) Y - 264,52 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) J - 305,04 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) Y - 164,31 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) J - 204,90 EUROS
CDG-PVG-TPE (CA) Y - 189,99 EUROS
CDG-ICN(OZ)-TPE(TG) - 301,70 EUROS
FRA-MUC-YUL J (LH) - 355,90 Euros
FRA-CDG(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 170.00 Euros
AC Y: 188,37 Euro YYZ-PEK
AC J: 238,77 Euro YYZ-PEK
UA Y: 79,74 Euro YYZ-ORD-PEK
ATH-CAI-AUH (MS) Y - 148,07 EUROS
AKL-SIN (NZ) Y - 41,03 Euros
ORD-NRT (NH) Y,J,C - 44,17 Euros
ORD-NRT (UA) Y,J,C - 41,42 Euros
JFK - SIN- MEL (SQ) Y -789,00 Euros
ZRH - HKG (Y) LX - 260,06 EUR
ZRH-FRA-HKG (Y) LH - 281,33 EUR
NRT-ORD (Y) NH - 73,43 EUR
MNL-BKK-SIN (J) (TG) - 31,40 Euros
BKK-MNL (TG) (Y)- 84,76 Euros
MNL-SIN (SQ) (J) - 30,46 Euros
---2016----
HKG-FRA-BUD (LH) C - 114.24 Euros (all cost; one-way; as of 2016-Mar)
BKK-NRT (TG) J - 131.79 Euros
MIA-VIE-FRA (OS) C - 458.76 Euro*
* date change with same airline and route = 20 eur/pp
change route = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
same date but change to other airline = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
ARN-FRA-LAX (LH) C/F - 296.26 Euro (OW 276.26 YQ + 20 fee per person; booked in 2015)
YYC-DEN (UA) Y 101 euros with 20 booking fee
LIS-IST-GYD (TK) (J) 22k + 160€ taxes one way [of these YR=98€] [taxes were the same for LH+TP]
MNL-ADD-MXP (ET) (Y) - 11,47€
MUC-CDG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 210,05 Euro
MUC-LHR(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 249,80 Euro
MUC-HKG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 334,08 Euro
MUC-IST(TK)-TPE(BR) (J) - 162,26 Euro
KIX-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 95,23 Euro
NRT-SIN-DPS J (NH,SQ) - 93,45 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB Y (AC, SA) - 208,85 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB J (LH, SA) - 583,31 Euro
YUL-LAX-AKL J (AC, NZ) - 105,27 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS Y (SQ) - 175,89 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 200,08 Euro
YYZ-NRT Y (AC) - 57,21 Euros
PEK-YVR Y (AC) - 164,84 Euros
PEK-NRT-YVR Y, J (NH) - 181,26 Euros
DEL-YYZ - Y (AC) - 386,76 Euros
BNE-YVR - Y (AC) - 75,61 Euros
LCA-VIE-BKK-VIE-LCA J (OS) €580
YYZ-PVG - Y (AC) 182,83 Euros
YYZ-ORD-PVG - Y (UA) - 76,54 Euros
YVR-SFO-ICN - Y (UA) - 139,96 Euros
YVR-ICN - Y (AC) - 120,09 Euros
PVG-YYZ - Y (AC) 175,49 Euros
PVG-ORD-YYZ - Y (UA) - 51,45 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 116,62 Euros
CDG-HND - J (NH) - 115,43 Euros
CMN-FRA-CDG - J (LH) - 189,00 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - Y (LH) - 161,16 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - J (LH) - 167,16 Euros
CDG-TPE-HKG - Y (BR) - 133,09 Euros
TPE-ICN - Y (OZ) - 46,00 Euros
YUL-ZRH-GVA - Y (LX) - 269,34 Euros
CDG-FRA-HND - J (LH,NH) - 160,65 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 157,90 Euros
YUL-MUC-BKK - Y (LH,TG) - 344,40 Euros
YUL-IST-BKK - Y, J (TK) - 280,30 Euros
ADD-LAX - Y (ET) - 248,87 Euros
ADD-LHR-LAX - Y (ET, UA) - 169,36 Euros
ADD-IST-LAX - J (TK) - 291,38 Euros
TPE-IST-CDG - J (TK) - 218,91 Euros
TPE-SIN-CDG - Y (SQ) - 273,08 Euros
ICN-TPE-VIE - J (OZ,BR) - 52,94 Euros(total cost,flights in April 2017)
FRA-CPH - Y (LH) - 97,09€
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 288,62 Euros
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 332,00 Euros
YYZ-ADD-JNB (Y) (ET) - 302,79 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 200,36 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 273,58 Euros
NRT-PEK-ADD (Y,J) (NH,ET) - 156,96 Euros
NRT-PVG-ADD (Y) (NH, ET) - 156,96 Euros
YYZ-LIM (Y) (AC) - 141,99 Euros
YYZ-SAL-LIM , Y (AV) - 72,03 Euros
YYZ-TPE-HKG (Y,J) (BR) - 78,89 Euros
YYZ-ORD-HKG (Y) (UA) - 99,61 Euros
YYZ-EWR-HKG (Y) (UA)- 99,61 Euros
ORD-CDG (Y) (UA) - 25,27 Euros
ORD-FRA-CDG (LH) - 373,00 Euros
GVA-FRA-LAX and return JFK-GVA (LH, LX) - 487,96 Euros
----------------2017------------------
GRU-FRA-TLL (F,J) (LH) - 103,60 Euros
YYZ-SFO (J) (AC) - 64,55 Euros
YVR-HKG (Y) (AC) - 83,46 Euros
HKG-ICN-OKA (Y) (OZ) - 54,47 Euros
CPH-PVG-AKL (J) (SK/NZ) - ~200€
TXL-FRA-BKK-FRA-TXL (J) (LH/TG/TG/LH) - 252 Euros
SIN-HND (J) (SQ) - 42,88 Euros
ZRH-BKK-MEL (J) (TG) - €49.22
GVA-ZRH-YUL (J,Y) (LX) - 256,44€
HKG-ICN (Y) (OZ) - €25.54
SIN-CPH (Y) (SQ) - 103,31€
SIN-LHR-CPH (Y) (SQ,SK) - 103,31€
FRA-CAI-SSH (C) (MS) - 177 EUR
FRA-IST-SSH (C) (TK) - 197 EUR
YYZ-DUB (J) (AC) - EUR68.11 (EUR48.11+EUR20 fee)
HKG-IST-GOT (J) (TK) - EUR110.71 (EUR90.71 + EUR20 fee; ticketed in Aug 2017; one-way)
SFO-TUS (Y) (UA) - EUR32,11 (EUR12,11 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TUS-SFO (Y) (UA) - EUR31,85 (EUR11,85 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TXL-IST-SIN/ BKK-ZUR-TXL (J) (TK/SQ/TG/LX) €231.74 + €20 fee
EWR-PDX (Y) (UA) - EURO 31.87
SIN-BKK-CDG (J) TG - 77,08 €
SIN-CDG (Y) SQ - 41,45€
SIN-FRA-CDG (Y) LH - 252,39€
SIN-IST (J) SQ - 41,53€
SIN-IST (J) TK - 176,89€
YUL-ZRH (J) - 360,72€
----------------2018------------------
BKK-ARN-TLL (J) TG,SK - 92€ (flights in 2019) online booking
BLZ-ADD-GRU (J) ET - 29.54€ online
GRU-ZHR-LCY (J) LX- 30£ online
YUL-LYS-VIE / VIE-GVA-YUL (J); 197€ online (AC/OS)
HKG-IST-HEL (Y one-way on TK; flights in 2019) - 40,000miles plus EUR81.33, online booking (post #1635)
SIN-SFO (J) SQ - €43.6 online booking
----------------2019------------------
CPH-LIS-GIG (J) TP (€46.5) online
BKK-PVG (J) TG - 64.67€ online
LAX-ARN-HEL (J) SK - €12.50 online
CPH-LIS (Y) TP - (€36,70) online
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - (€151) online (flight in Apr2020)
HKG-TPE (J) BR (€53.28) online (redemption in Aug 2019)
EZE-GRU (J) ET 61.60€ online
EZE-GRU (J) TK 61.60€ online
VIE-BKK-TPE-SFO (J) BR - 240.00€ (YQ) + 60.99€ (Taxes etc.) online (flight in summer 2020)
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - 135.82€ (YQ) + 15.97€ (Taxes etc.) online (flight in fall 2020)
LHR-HND-LAX (F) NH Round-Trip + 569.23€ online pre-devaluation
AC CDG-YYZ-YYJ Euro 98.85 (Eco, 35k miles, oneway, booked Oct 2021, inlcudes Euro 36.- YQ)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 98.46 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked Feb 2022 - inlcudes Euro 61.31 YR)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 102.18 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked March 2022 - includes Euro 63.36 YR plus another 0.44 YR)
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Old May 31, 2012, 3:55 am
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Join Date: May 2012
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Impression from the first booking

I submitted the request online in the afternoon. Next day I got a phone call from Athen. Everything went very smoothly.
One way award within Far East for 12,500 Miles, 75 Euro Tax (operating airlines) + 20 Euro fee (A3). It's exactly the amount the operating airlines would charge you if you booked directly.
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Old May 31, 2012, 10:02 am
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I booked two inter-Europe business class flights with these folks prior to the merger of the UA-CO systems. 20K + fees for each flight 40K miles total. The Aegean Business product far exceeded my expectations and quite frankly, blew away US domestic business/first for similar duration flights.

Example Rome, Italy - Larneca,Cyprus via Athens
Both segments(no longer than 2-3 hrs) provided a full meal service with desserts and drinks.
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Old May 31, 2012, 11:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Angust
...Example Rome, Italy - Larneca,Cyprus via Athens
Both segments(no longer than 2-3 hrs) provided a full meal service with desserts and drinks.
To be more precise, each segment about 1.5 hours.
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Old Jun 3, 2012, 7:24 am
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Clarity

I know we're all finding our way with A3, but for me the most crucial Q's are, and would love to know if someone definitively has had any experience:

1. On one way award, it states stop over sub 24 hours - I assume A3, therefore won't allow say a SIN-BKK (stop for 3 days)-NRT award?

2. On awards which require routing through another region - ie LHR-NRT-HNL, will they charge you a LHR-NRT and NRT-HNL as two distinct redemptions?

3. How have we gone on more exotic redemption - are A3 as strict as say United or more flexible with redemptions like US airways? For example:

SYD-SIN-ADL for an intra-Oceania redemption if this is the only way to Adelaide from Sydney.
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Old Jun 3, 2012, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by kawoh
I know we're all finding our way with A3, but for me the most crucial Q's are, and would love to know if someone definitively has had any experience:
No experience here, but maybe I can report the latest consensus?

1. On one way award, it states stop over sub 24 hours - I assume A3, therefore won't allow say a SIN-BKK (stop for 3 days)-NRT award?
No they won't, it would be priced as two distinct awards.

2. On awards which require routing through another region - ie LHR-NRT-HNL, will they charge you a LHR-NRT and NRT-HNL as two distinct redemptions?
Tough one. LHR-NRT-HNL is a valid routing and you won't have any direct flight between them anyway. It's as valid as LHR-LAX-HNL in my opinion and it should be allowed at the price of the Europe to Hawaii rate. As there is no non-stop flight between HNL and Europe that I know of, I suppose this entry is designed especially for that. Note that, as you aren't allowed to stay more than 24h at your connection point, creative routings lose most of their appeal.
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Old Jun 3, 2012, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by kawoh
I know we're all finding our way with A3, but for me the most crucial Q's are, and would love to know if someone definitively has had any experience:
No experience, but I do have contacts at A3 and therefore understand the rules pretty well..


Originally Posted by kawoh
1. On one way award, it states stop over sub 24 hours - I assume A3, therefore won't allow say a SIN-BKK (stop for 3 days)-NRT award?
Yes, it would be a SIN-BKK reward, and a seperate BKK-NRT award. It can all be put on 1 PNR though.

Originally Posted by kawoh
2. On awards which require routing through another region - ie LHR-NRT-HNL, will they charge you a LHR-NRT and NRT-HNL as two distinct redemptions?
LHR-NRT-HNL is a valid routing
Originally Posted by kawoh
3. How have we gone on more exotic redemption - are A3 as strict as say United or more flexible with redemptions like US airways? For example:

SYD-SIN-ADL for an intra-Oceania redemption if this is the only way to Adelaide from Sydney.
This is not permitted. For an intra-Oceania redemption, you cannot leave Oceania.

Regardless, even if A3 allowed this redemption, SQ would deny you boarding - it's cabotage.

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Old Jun 3, 2012, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
This is not permitted. For an intra-Oceania redemption, you cannot leave Oceania.
There are however many realistic example where you will have to go through another region, like the LHR-NRT-HNL route, but also within the same region awards where there just aren't physically any other routes available. For example if you wanted to go from MLE-DEL, you can only do MLE-SIN-DEL. And SIN would be both backtracking, but also entering into a region which would be 60k rather than 25k round trip Y.

Another example would be Cape Town to Tenerife which are in the same zone. Tenerife should really be in Europe, so if you wanted to go there you may have to go CPT-IST-ZRH-TFS...? and be charged two regions when there is no more direct way than this.

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Old Jun 3, 2012, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by kawoh
There are however many realistic example where you will have to go through another region, like the LHR-NRT-HNL route, but also within the same region awards where there just aren't physically any other routes available. For example if you wanted to go from MLE-DEL, you can only do MLE-SIN-DEL. And SIN would be both backtracking, but also entering into a region which would be 60k rather than 25k round trip Y.
For MLE-SIN-DEL, my understanding is that you would have to get 2 separate awards - MEL-SIN, and SIN-DEL

Going through a 3rd region between 2 different regions is not a problem.
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Old Jun 3, 2012, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by kawoh
There are however many realistic example where you will have to go through another region, like the LHR-NRT-HNL route,
LHR and HNL aren't in the same region. What's forbidden is using a "intra-X" zone rate with a connection outside. Not Zone A -> Zone B through zone C if it's unavoidable. So for example, if I need to fly to Japan on the cheap for a meeting, I can't book an intra-Europe award LHR-NRT-FRA.

but also within the same region awards where there just aren't physically any other routes available. For example if you wanted to go from MLE-DEL, you can only do MLE-SIN-DEL. And SIN would be both backtracking, but also entering into a region which would be 60k rather than 25k round trip Y.
You raise an interesting problem, but MLE-SIN-DEL is considerably longer than MLE-DEL... Maybe it's voluntary that they don't allow cheap redemptions on this itinerary.
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Old Jun 5, 2012, 4:20 am
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Went through all the 7 pages on redemptions with A3, found only 2-3 data points of people actually redeeming flights with M&B miles, rest were queries and discussions.

Are the people redeeming with M&B miles so few!
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Old Jun 6, 2012, 5:53 am
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Originally Posted by sleeplessinNL
Went through all the 7 pages on redemptions with A3, found only 2-3 data points of people actually redeeming flights with M&B miles, rest were queries and discussions.

Are the people redeeming with M&B miles so few!
A3 joined less than 2 years ago. As with most programme, the sweet spot for redemption is on long-haul premium cabins. That requires 90,000 miles at least (NA reward). I know people can be accruing very quickly, but still... Heavy flyer went to BMI before

If you stand at the finish line of a marathon, prepare for a very boring first hour...
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Old Jun 6, 2012, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by Richelieu
If you stand at the finish line of a marathon, prepare for a very boring first hour...
Nicely stated. ^

Let's just hope A3 is running a true marathon and that the worries in the other (bankruptcy) thread stay just speculative.
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Old Jun 6, 2012, 10:10 am
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I am not crediting to A3 to the extent that I was crediting to BMI, my previous *A main programme, as I am only crediting from flights and the odd hotel booking, and not from credit card spending or shopping. This is going to affect how many flights I can redeem.

On the other hand I am still collecting BMI miles via MBNA credit cards in the UK (ready to divert to Avios, though not sure how long this will be an option), and SPG and MR points via Amex (ready to divert to a waiting FFP, but sadly not A3 at the moment, as A3 does is not a SPG or Amex MR points transfer partner).

My redemptions on A3 are therefore going to be less would be the case if there were more routes to earn miles (especially for non-Greek residents).

Let's hope A3 sign up with SPG and/or Amex and/or credit card issuers in more countries. Maybe if they have large UK membership base they will consider a UK based miles earning credit card (e.g. MBNA, who may soon be in need of a new partner to replace BMI...)
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Old Jun 7, 2012, 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by Richelieu
A3 joined less than 2 years ago. As with most programme, the sweet spot for redemption is on long-haul premium cabins. That requires 90,000 miles at least (NA reward). I know people can be accruing very quickly, but still... Heavy flyer went to BMI before

If you stand at the finish line of a marathon, prepare for a very boring first hour...
Well if you're doing 20K a year, that's 4.5 years before one can redeem for a TATL J award. Suggest you check back in 2.5 to 3 years time.
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Old Jun 7, 2012, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Well if you're doing 20K a year, that's 4.5 years before one can redeem for a TATL J award. Suggest you check back in 2.5 to 3 years time.
I am pretty sure the rhythm will pick-up quickly, as former BMI heavy flyer will start crediting to A3. It will still be slower as there is no C+M option, which had good value with BMI and helped getting award.
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