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Please report your Star Alliance award redemption experiences

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No YQ airlines/routes/countries

NZ, CM, AV, O6, NH, SQ, ET

UA:

All flights except from U.S to: ICN

AC:

Within North America

TPAC flights originated from Canada to:
Japan(NRT,HND,KIX), Australia(SYD,BNE)

For TPAC arriving to Canada:
YQ-free countries/cities (see below)
ex-Australia flights (SYD, BNE)

All TATL flights

List of YQ-free cities/countries:

Hong Kong (depart only)
Brazil (depart only)
Philippines (depart only)
Thailand (depart only)
South Korea (depart only)

For Japan:
Departing flights base on J class direct fights from NRT
Example: NRT-ZRH on LX, NRT-FRA on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, AI, NZ, ET, LO, ZH

Less then 20 Euros YQ: LH, SK, CA, OZ, BR, SQ, LX, TK

Greater than 20 Euros YQ: TG (94 Euros)

NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for most of it's destination

Arriving flights base on J class direct fights to NRT
Example: ZRH- NRT on LX, FRA-NRT on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, TG, NZ, OZ

Less than 20 Euros YQ: BR (14 Euros)

20 - 100 Euros YQ: SQ (20 Euros SIN-NRT, 26 Euros LAX-NRT), ET(95 Euros), CA (41 Euros), ZH (40 Euros)

Greater than 100 Euros: LH (246 Euros), AI (185 Euros), LO (177 Euros), SK (135 Euros), LX(262 Euros), TK (130 Euros)

Again, NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for flights arriving to NRT.


YQ + Fee for award flights, feel free to add more on the list (at the end of it) if you have made a recent redemption.

TK SFO-IST-TLV 237,90 Euro
LH SFO-FRA-TLV 376,76 Euro
UA&LH SFO-FRA(UA)-TLV(LH) 104,77 Euro
SIN-FRA (SQ) Y - 181,75 Euro
SIN-DEL(AI)-FRA(LH) J - 257,15 Euro
HKG-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,72 Euro
TPE-IST-FRA (TK) Y - 149,75 Euro
TPE-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,43 Euro
YYZ-SFO(AC)-TPE (UA) Y - 159,28 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) Y - 191,24 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) J - 227,41 Euro
FRA-YUL (AC) Y - 104,00 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL (AC) Y - 182,00 Euro
FRA-YYZ-YUL (AC) Y - 142,99 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 187,00 Euro
BKK-HND (TG) Y - 111 Euros
CDG-PEK (CA) Y- 207,88 EUROS
CDG-PEK (CA) J - 298,44 EUROS
CDG-FRA-PEK (LH) Y - 209,13 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) Y - 264,52 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) J - 305,04 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) Y - 164,31 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) J - 204,90 EUROS
CDG-PVG-TPE (CA) Y - 189,99 EUROS
CDG-ICN(OZ)-TPE(TG) - 301,70 EUROS
FRA-MUC-YUL J (LH) - 355,90 Euros
FRA-CDG(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 170.00 Euros
AC Y: 188,37 Euro YYZ-PEK
AC J: 238,77 Euro YYZ-PEK
UA Y: 79,74 Euro YYZ-ORD-PEK
ATH-CAI-AUH (MS) Y - 148,07 EUROS
AKL-SIN (NZ) Y - 41,03 Euros
ORD-NRT (NH) Y,J,C - 44,17 Euros
ORD-NRT (UA) Y,J,C - 41,42 Euros
JFK - SIN- MEL (SQ) Y -789,00 Euros
ZRH - HKG (Y) LX - 260,06 EUR
ZRH-FRA-HKG (Y) LH - 281,33 EUR
NRT-ORD (Y) NH - 73,43 EUR
MNL-BKK-SIN (J) (TG) - 31,40 Euros
BKK-MNL (TG) (Y)- 84,76 Euros
MNL-SIN (SQ) (J) - 30,46 Euros
---2016----
HKG-FRA-BUD (LH) C - 114.24 Euros (all cost; one-way; as of 2016-Mar)
BKK-NRT (TG) J - 131.79 Euros
MIA-VIE-FRA (OS) C - 458.76 Euro*
* date change with same airline and route = 20 eur/pp
change route = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
same date but change to other airline = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
ARN-FRA-LAX (LH) C/F - 296.26 Euro (OW 276.26 YQ + 20 fee per person; booked in 2015)
YYC-DEN (UA) Y 101 euros with 20 booking fee
LIS-IST-GYD (TK) (J) 22k + 160 taxes one way [of these YR=98] [taxes were the same for LH+TP]
MNL-ADD-MXP (ET) (Y) - 11,47
MUC-CDG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 210,05 Euro
MUC-LHR(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 249,80 Euro
MUC-HKG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 334,08 Euro
MUC-IST(TK)-TPE(BR) (J) - 162,26 Euro
KIX-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 95,23 Euro
NRT-SIN-DPS J (NH,SQ) - 93,45 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB Y (AC, SA) - 208,85 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB J (LH, SA) - 583,31 Euro
YUL-LAX-AKL J (AC, NZ) - 105,27 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS Y (SQ) - 175,89 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 200,08 Euro
YYZ-NRT Y (AC) - 57,21 Euros
PEK-YVR Y (AC) - 164,84 Euros
PEK-NRT-YVR Y, J (NH) - 181,26 Euros
DEL-YYZ - Y (AC) - 386,76 Euros
BNE-YVR - Y (AC) - 75,61 Euros
LCA-VIE-BKK-VIE-LCA J (OS) 580
YYZ-PVG - Y (AC) 182,83 Euros
YYZ-ORD-PVG - Y (UA) - 76,54 Euros
YVR-SFO-ICN - Y (UA) - 139,96 Euros
YVR-ICN - Y (AC) - 120,09 Euros
PVG-YYZ - Y (AC) 175,49 Euros
PVG-ORD-YYZ - Y (UA) - 51,45 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 116,62 Euros
CDG-HND - J (NH) - 115,43 Euros
CMN-FRA-CDG - J (LH) - 189,00 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - Y (LH) - 161,16 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - J (LH) - 167,16 Euros
CDG-TPE-HKG - Y (BR) - 133,09 Euros
TPE-ICN - Y (OZ) - 46,00 Euros
YUL-ZRH-GVA - Y (LX) - 269,34 Euros
CDG-FRA-HND - J (LH,NH) - 160,65 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 157,90 Euros
YUL-MUC-BKK - Y (LH,TG) - 344,40 Euros
YUL-IST-BKK - Y, J (TK) - 280,30 Euros
ADD-LAX - Y (ET) - 248,87 Euros
ADD-LHR-LAX - Y (ET, UA) - 169,36 Euros
ADD-IST-LAX - J (TK) - 291,38 Euros
TPE-IST-CDG - J (TK) - 218,91 Euros
TPE-SIN-CDG - Y (SQ) - 273,08 Euros
ICN-TPE-VIE - J (OZ,BR) - 52,94 Euros(total cost,flights in April 2017)
FRA-CPH - Y (LH) - 97,09
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 288,62 Euros
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 332,00 Euros
YYZ-ADD-JNB (Y) (ET) - 302,79 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 200,36 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 273,58 Euros
NRT-PEK-ADD (Y,J) (NH,ET) - 156,96 Euros
NRT-PVG-ADD (Y) (NH, ET) - 156,96 Euros
YYZ-LIM (Y) (AC) - 141,99 Euros
YYZ-SAL-LIM , Y (AV) - 72,03 Euros
YYZ-TPE-HKG (Y,J) (BR) - 78,89 Euros
YYZ-ORD-HKG (Y) (UA) - 99,61 Euros
YYZ-EWR-HKG (Y) (UA)- 99,61 Euros
ORD-CDG (Y) (UA) - 25,27 Euros
ORD-FRA-CDG (LH) - 373,00 Euros
GVA-FRA-LAX and return JFK-GVA (LH, LX) - 487,96 Euros
----------------2017------------------
GRU-FRA-TLL (F,J) (LH) - 103,60 Euros
YYZ-SFO (J) (AC) - 64,55 Euros
YVR-HKG (Y) (AC) - 83,46 Euros
HKG-ICN-OKA (Y) (OZ) - 54,47 Euros
CPH-PVG-AKL (J) (SK/NZ) - ~200
TXL-FRA-BKK-FRA-TXL (J) (LH/TG/TG/LH) - 252 Euros
SIN-HND (J) (SQ) - 42,88 Euros
ZRH-BKK-MEL (J) (TG) - 49.22
GVA-ZRH-YUL (J,Y) (LX) - 256,44
HKG-ICN (Y) (OZ) - 25.54
SIN-CPH (Y) (SQ) - 103,31
SIN-LHR-CPH (Y) (SQ,SK) - 103,31
FRA-CAI-SSH (C) (MS) - 177 EUR
FRA-IST-SSH (C) (TK) - 197 EUR
YYZ-DUB (J) (AC) - EUR68.11 (EUR48.11+EUR20 fee)
HKG-IST-GOT (J) (TK) - EUR110.71 (EUR90.71 + EUR20 fee; ticketed in Aug 2017; one-way)
SFO-TUS (Y) (UA) - EUR32,11 (EUR12,11 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TUS-SFO (Y) (UA) - EUR31,85 (EUR11,85 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TXL-IST-SIN/ BKK-ZUR-TXL (J) (TK/SQ/TG/LX) 231.74 + 20 fee
EWR-PDX (Y) (UA) - EURO 31.87
SIN-BKK-CDG (J) TG - 77,08
SIN-CDG (Y) SQ - 41,45
SIN-FRA-CDG (Y) LH - 252,39
SIN-IST (J) SQ - 41,53
SIN-IST (J) TK - 176,89
YUL-ZRH (J) - 360,72
----------------2018------------------
BKK-ARN-TLL (J) TG,SK - 92 (flights in 2019) online booking
BLZ-ADD-GRU (J) ET - 29.54 online
GRU-ZHR-LCY (J) LX- 30 online
YUL-LYS-VIE / VIE-GVA-YUL (J); 197 online (AC/OS)
HKG-IST-HEL (Y one-way on TK; flights in 2019) - 40,000miles plus EUR81.33, online booking (post #1635)
SIN-SFO (J) SQ - 43.6 online booking
----------------2019------------------
CPH-LIS-GIG (J) TP (46.5) online
BKK-PVG (J) TG - 64.67 online
LAX-ARN-HEL (J) SK - 12.50 online
CPH-LIS (Y) TP - (36,70) online
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - (151) online (flight in Apr2020)
HKG-TPE (J) BR (53.28) online (redemption in Aug 2019)
EZE-GRU (J) ET 61.60 online
EZE-GRU (J) TK 61.60 online
VIE-BKK-TPE-SFO (J) BR - 240.00 (YQ) + 60.99 (Taxes etc.) online (flight in summer 2020)
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - 135.82 (YQ) + 15.97 (Taxes etc.) online (flight in fall 2020)
LHR-HND-LAX (F) NH Round-Trip + 569.23 online pre-devaluation
AC CDG-YYZ-YYJ Euro 98.85 (Eco, 35k miles, oneway, booked Oct 2021, inlcudes Euro 36.- YQ)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 98.46 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked Feb 2022 - inlcudes Euro 61.31 YR)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 102.18 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked March 2022 - includes Euro 63.36 YR plus another 0.44 YR)
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Please report your Star Alliance award redemption experiences

Old Nov 27, 11, 8:54 pm
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My scenario:

I will reach a bit more than 30k miles on A3 soon and I wanted to get a reward ticket, say SIN-NRT, which, after checking on CO's website, would cost me 30k miles +$21.50 for a one way in Business.

I won't really accrue more miles on A3, which is why I'm trying to redeem them as soon as I can. And an experience in Business is worth more than a return in Y, to me.
But if I do that, will the one way return in Y cost me an arm (mainly because it's a one way ticket)?
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Old Nov 27, 11, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by enelym1978
I will reach a bit more than 30k miles on A3 soon and I wanted to get a reward ticket, say SIN-NRT, which, after checking on CO's website, would cost me 30k miles +$21.50 for a one way in Business.
CO's site is a good source to find out what flights have Starnet availability and thus will be available for A3 miles redemption.

BUT

Every star airline has its own distict award chart. CO's website will NOT tell you how many A3 miles SIN-NRT will cost. It will also not tell you what the taxes and fees will be when redeeming your A3 miles. A3 (like most EU airlines) charges YQ (fuel surcharges) and CO (like most US airlines) does not on miles redemptions. Use Ita software (see post 1 for link) to determine what the YQ and total taxes and fees will be (much higher than $21.50 because of the YQ). Use the award chart found on the A3 website and also in post 1 of this thread to determine how many A3 miles it will cost you SIN-NRT. I think if you read all the details in post 1 (and reread until you understand) it should be helpful.

I will try to answer any questions you may have - let me know if there is anything I can help clarify.
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Old Nov 27, 11, 9:41 pm
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Ooops, just acted like a noob here haha.

Thanks for the reminder Crazy. Obviously using CO or NH only helps in finding out about availabilities...
A3 actually has better rates (but higher YQ) since it's only 42,000 for a return ticket in Business.... 21,000 will be enough for my one way experience then.
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Old Dec 2, 11, 5:24 pm
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Am I right assuming that since US Airways does not charge fuel surcharges on Europe-USA trips, reedeming such an award using A3 miles will result in less fees than using for example UA or another carrier that does charge Fuel surcharges on paid tickets for EU-USA?
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Old Dec 3, 11, 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by r0me0
Am I right assuming that since US Airways does not charge fuel surcharges on Europe-USA trips, reedeming such an award using A3 miles will result in less fees than using for example UA or another carrier that does charge Fuel surcharges on paid tickets for EU-USA?
Nope, bad assumption.

Don't try to understand the logic behind how YQ is charged. It's a waste of time. Just try everything...
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Old Dec 3, 11, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by r0me0
Am I right assuming that since US Airways does not charge fuel surcharges on Europe-USA trips, reedeming such an award using A3 miles will result in less fees than using for example UA or another carrier that does charge Fuel surcharges on paid tickets for EU-USA?
Actually, that might work. Please report back after calling A3.

Ticketing carriers often do base the YQ they charge for redemptions on what a carrier charges on a paid ticket.

PVDtoDEL - Have you redeemed A3 miles on US Airways USA<-->Europe or are you just assuming?
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Old Dec 3, 11, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by crazyMRer
Actually, that might work. Please report back after calling A3.

Ticketing carriers often do base the YQ they charge for redemptions on what a carrier charges on a paid ticket.

PVDtoDEL - Have you redeemed A3 miles on US Airways USA<-->Europe or are you just assuming?
I've been members of many FFPs, and never have they actually followed any type of logical charging scheme.

A3 was no exception when I booked by US-Egypt ticket (with a revenue tag on to India)
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Old Dec 3, 11, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
I've been members of many FFPs, and never have they actually followed any type of logical charging scheme.
I have redeemed miles from more than 20 different FF programs and there always is a logical system used to compute YQ. I do not yet have enough experience with A3 to know what logical system A3 uses. With most airlines the YQ charges mirror revenue tickets. For example, before calling BMI to redeem miles for a given itinerary, I have calculated what the total taxes and fees should be on ITA software. If I get a good BMI agent, they will quote me the same amount as I was expecting. If a bad agent gives me a higher amount, I will challenge their calculation until they correct it. The amount charged is not random.

Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
A3 was no exception when I booked by US-Egypt ticket (with a revenue tag on to India)
How much YQ did A3 charge?
What was your routing?
What would the YQ for your routing have been on a revenue ticket?
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Old Mar 5, 12, 7:58 pm
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Just wondering how much lead time is needed to redeem for A3 tickets? some airlines allow almost instant redemption (4 hours, like CX), and some requires to ticket 72 hrs before(JAL and ANA)
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Old Mar 27, 12, 1:14 am
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I have requested to redeem for a domestic USA trip in August from A3 (using the website). This was done 5 days ago. I still have not heard back from A3...

Probably will have to call.
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Old Apr 12, 12, 1:37 am
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I have a few questions regarding *A award redemptions using A3 points:

1) At http://en.aegeanair.com/milesandbonu...n/spend-miles/ , it says that "Miles & Bonus program is sector oriented.", and according to the example you are charged domestic+international miles when flying CHQ-ATH-FCO r/t.

Is this the case for *A awards as well? I.e., if I fly ZRH-BKK-TPE r/t in C, would I be charged 110k+42k? The sentence "An award ticket on Star Alliance flights may include one stopover with duration up to 24 hours" suggests that you might get away with 110k. That would also be reasonable considering the fact that there is an EU-Hawaii column in the redemption table but there aren't any direct flights (that I'm aware of). Any experiences?

Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
A3 was no exception when I booked by US-Egypt ticket (with a revenue tag on to India)
2) Is it possible to book award+revenue flights (both *A, non-A3) on the same ticket by calling the A3 desk? It would be helpful to have the flights on the same ticket in case of misconnects.

Thanks!
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Old Apr 12, 12, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by clifford79
I have a few questions regarding *A award redemptions using A3 points:

1) At http://en.aegeanair.com/milesandbonu...n/spend-miles/ , it says that "Miles & Bonus program is sector oriented.", and according to the example you are charged domestic+international miles when flying CHQ-ATH-FCO r/t.

Is this the case for *A awards as well? I.e., if I fly ZRH-BKK-TPE r/t in C, would I be charged 110k+42k? The sentence "An award ticket on Star Alliance flights may include one stopover with duration up to 24 hours" suggests that you might get away with 110k. That would also be reasonable considering the fact that there is an EU-Hawaii column in the redemption table but there aren't any direct flights (that I'm aware of). Any experiences?
Yes, you get upto 1 stop on star alliance awards. Before, I got 2 when there was no one-stop itinerary, but now that there is a clear policy, I doubt I would get an exception.
Originally Posted by clifford79
2) Is it possible to book award+revenue flights (both *A, non-A3) on the same ticket by calling the A3 desk? It would be helpful to have the flights on the same ticket in case of misconnects.

Thanks!
No, but if the airlines are partners, you can roughly "map" it by "linking the PNRs".
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Old May 23, 12, 9:19 pm
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Just tried to redeem 12.5K miles for a one-way economy ticket from Ottawa, Ontario to IND (flying United via ORD). Was quoted 173.83 euros in taxes and fees (1.95AY, 5.45XY, 146.43XT, 20.00 reservation fee), which is around $230. Tried calling back twice to see if another agent would quote a lower XT but no luck. (In comparison, Air Canada's Aeroplan quoted me $73.51 in taxes for the exact same flights).
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Old May 30, 12, 12:18 pm
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Originally Posted by harlam
Just tried to redeem 12.5K miles for a one-way economy ticket from Ottawa, Ontario to IND (flying United via ORD). Was quoted 173.83 euros in taxes and fees (1.95AY, 5.45XY, 146.43XT, 20.00 reservation fee), which is around $230. Tried calling back twice to see if another agent would quote a lower XT but no luck. (In comparison, Air Canada's Aeroplan quoted me $73.51 in taxes for the exact same flights).
Any idea if such high taxes/YQ exist even on UA flights within US?
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Old May 30, 12, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by kyunbit
Any idea if such high taxes/YQ exist even on UA flights within US?
It's not necessarily YQ. It could be RC, which is often miscalculated by agents, who use the value calculated on a full fare ticket instead of 0 -- this happened often with bmi's DC agent for ticket originating in Canada. Without the details of what is lumped into XT, we can't really know what is happening, but I suspect it's the case here.
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