Acceptable Comp for Improper Processing of Standby?
#91
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And based on your responses here, would you have acquiesced? I think not. It was more practical for UA to simply not give you the choice, especially as you were not entitled to confirmed space anyway. So, perhaps other people got something to which they were not entitled... so what? They "got away" with it, so you should, too?
Regardless of SYD vs. LAX, 1K vs. GM, 4 seats vs. 1, confirmed vs. standby or whatever, that's the underlying question. Once you answer that, the other things don't matter.
Funny that 80+ % of the posters in this thread seem to think that UA followed the right procedures in your case. The fact that you found a UA agent who was willing to give you money (either because they agreed with you or to just make you go away) isn't exactly proof of anything, given the consistency of answers people tend to get from UA.
So be happy with your compensation. I personally am very happy with the overwhelming responses from fellow FT-ers here in this thread. ^
So be happy with your compensation. I personally am very happy with the overwhelming responses from fellow FT-ers here in this thread. ^
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#93
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Alright! Now we're getting somewhere. So since we have recognized that this wasn't following policy, we get back to my original question. What kind of fair compensation could be expected? And... we've come full circle, but unfortunately, the point is moot and 1K CR already issued the travel cert.
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My opinion is that United WAS following policy.
UA allows CSRs to rebook passengers on oversold flights when their situation is serious. This is up to the CSR's discretion.
As seen in this thread a HUGE majority believe that 4 pax missing a SYD connection is serious, and most think that a missed SFO-LAX connection is a lot easier pill to swallow.
What the CSR did is certainly not against policy as policy allows them to make a judgement call in this case.
You were #1 on the standby list, and policy was followed in that case. No standbys trumped you, only disserviced pax (this is up to the CSR/GA to define).
Popular opinion here seems to dictate that UA's judgement call was the correct one.
UA allows CSRs to rebook passengers on oversold flights when their situation is serious. This is up to the CSR's discretion.
As seen in this thread a HUGE majority believe that 4 pax missing a SYD connection is serious, and most think that a missed SFO-LAX connection is a lot easier pill to swallow.
What the CSR did is certainly not against policy as policy allows them to make a judgement call in this case.
You were #1 on the standby list, and policy was followed in that case. No standbys trumped you, only disserviced pax (this is up to the CSR/GA to define).
Popular opinion here seems to dictate that UA's judgement call was the correct one.
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Alright! Now we're getting somewhere. So since we have recognized that this wasn't following policy, we get back to my original question. What kind of fair compensation could be expected? And... we've come full circle, but unfortunately, the point is moot and 1K CR already issued the travel cert.
i also don't understand how a person of your importance could afford to spend this whole morning with ua regarding your lost bag. ime, when they've lost my bag...which is many times (or so it seems, perhaps it's an exageration here), you fill out the form at the airport and eventually it shows up at your doorstep, but spending time on the phone with them doesn't really help the situation, other than to waste one's time and UA agent's time.
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No, "we" have not recognized any such thing. My statement said merely that following policy explicitly and without deviation is not always the "correct" thing to do; I did not state whether or not, in this case, policy was followed. All that I stated or implied in the previous post was that following policy to the letter is not necessarily the right thing to do, irrespective of whether or not policy was followed in your particular case. Gate agents are given leeway to deviate from standard operating procedure when they deem it necessary or beneficial; they are given such leeway for a reason. That leeway is granted by policy which supersedes other policy, so....
As I answered the first time around, none. Even if policy was not followed (and I am not stating that it wasn't), you did not lose anything to which you were guaranteed or entitled; you flew on your originally-ticketed itinerary, which was delayed due to circumstances outside of UA's control. Hence, "fair" compensation would be: nothing. IMHO.
As I answered the first time around, none. Even if policy was not followed (and I am not stating that it wasn't), you did not lose anything to which you were guaranteed or entitled; you flew on your originally-ticketed itinerary, which was delayed due to circumstances outside of UA's control. Hence, "fair" compensation would be: nothing. IMHO.
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Most of the posters think United followed procedure. No standbys cleared ahead of you. A few posters think United didn't follow procedure but still did the correct thing. I don't think any posters thought you should have cleared. You decided to book a less expensive routing.
Compensation should be however much grease it takes to stop your squeaking. You should not confuse compensation give to you shut you up as admission of wrong.
Compensation should be however much grease it takes to stop your squeaking. You should not confuse compensation give to you shut you up as admission of wrong.
Alright! Now we're getting somewhere. So since we have recognized that this wasn't following policy, we get back to my original question. What kind of fair compensation could be expected? And... we've come full circle, but unfortunately, the point is moot and 1K CR already issued the travel cert.
#99
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just because the policy isn't followed, doesn't mean you desesrve compensation. imho, you deserve nothing, yet you got something anyway. why do you deserve nothing? because you lost nothing that you were entitled to or paid for. you were on standby and didn't confirm. you were delayed because of weather. yet you are ranting and raving about it because of your important meeting. if it was that impoortant, and you couldn't reroute on AS to lax, bur, ont, sna or any of the gazillions of flights they have from seattle to southern cali every day, you could have bought a ticket on wn, but you didn't.
i also don't understand how a person of your importance could afford to spend this whole morning with ua regarding your lost bag. ime, when they've lost my bag...which is many times (or so it seems, perhaps it's an exageration here), you fill out the form at the airport and eventually it shows up at your doorstep, but spending time on the phone with them doesn't really help the situation, other than to waste one's time and UA agent's time.
i also don't understand how a person of your importance could afford to spend this whole morning with ua regarding your lost bag. ime, when they've lost my bag...which is many times (or so it seems, perhaps it's an exageration here), you fill out the form at the airport and eventually it shows up at your doorstep, but spending time on the phone with them doesn't really help the situation, other than to waste one's time and UA agent's time.
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J/K... I think.So, to answer your original question, since you came here for advice: I think fair compensation would be $0.
#101




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Seems as though you're the one that should have had a direct flight into LAX instead of transiting through SFO.
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#102
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Using that logic, shouldn't you have booked a NS from SEA to LAX?
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Originally Posted by shazbot
A) its an easy assumption since SFO would be the gateway, and they'd have direct flights into SFO instead of transiting through SEA
Quote:
Originally Posted by shazbot
A) its an easy assumption since SFO would be the gateway, and they'd have direct flights into SFO instead of transiting through SEA
#104




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Breaking it down.
There was no improper processing of standby list
Compensation due: $0
You did not clear standby on a full flight
Compensation due: $0
You were overnighted in SFO due to a weather delay
Compensation due to <1K: $0
Compensation due to 1K/GS: Hotel & meal
Delayed bag
Compensation due: Bag delivery
Seems that you got what you deserved already.
There was no improper processing of standby list
Compensation due: $0
You did not clear standby on a full flight
Compensation due: $0
You were overnighted in SFO due to a weather delay
Compensation due to <1K: $0
Compensation due to 1K/GS: Hotel & meal
Delayed bag
Compensation due: Bag delivery
Seems that you got what you deserved already.
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Breaking it down.
There was no improper processing of standby list
Compensation due: $0
You did not clear standby on a full flight
Compensation due: $0
You were overnighted in SFO due to a weather delay
Compensation due to <1K: $0
Compensation due to 1K/GS: Hotel & meal
Delayed bag
Compensation due: Bag delivery
Seems that you got what you deserved already.
There was no improper processing of standby list
Compensation due: $0
You did not clear standby on a full flight
Compensation due: $0
You were overnighted in SFO due to a weather delay
Compensation due to <1K: $0
Compensation due to 1K/GS: Hotel & meal
Delayed bag
Compensation due: Bag delivery
Seems that you got what you deserved already.

